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Chillidx wrote:If some ones on youtube cracking peoples accounts for fun would it be immoral to hack that persons youtube?
centip3de wrote:Chillidx wrote:If some ones on youtube cracking peoples accounts for fun would it be immoral to hack that persons youtube?
The Internet is not like real life. In real life, if someone breaks into your property, and you shoot them, then that's self defense and perfectly moral. However, on the Internet, you have no property, and no defense; you have to rely on the ability of others (programmers, sysadmin's, etc.) to provide that defense for you. While you may be angry if someone stole your personal information by breaking into your account, that's still not the same as someone breaking into your house, because you don't own your account. Instead, you're paying someone a fee (with either real money, or the advertisement revenue you generate) to kindly keep all of your information on one place for you. That company that is keeping all of this, owns your account, which is why they get to sue the hackers and not you.
Now, if you apply the above information to an argument of morality, it doesn't change anything because the fact that we already established that nothing of yours was stolen (you have no property on the Internet, remember?). So it's essentially the equivalent of beating up a professional lock picker, even if he stole nothing from you. That wouldn't be exactly moral, would it? If you answered yes to that question, let's break it down even further; if person x committed no crime against you, and yet you attack them, because they have committed a crime before to someone else, what's the difference between that and beating someone up because you don't like something they did? Essentially, you're attacking someone because of something they did, to someone else, which you didn't like.
You have to remember that when you're on the Internet, you own nothing.
Szayel wrote:Eh, I disagree. You can earn revenue on Youtube, so if someone is hacking your account, wouldn't that be stealing money-- AKA, property? Same thing goes for websites. If you are earning money by selling merchandise or by letting them use your services, wouldn't that be stealing as well?
It's kinda like if a company gave you a car. You don't exactly have ownership to it, but if someone stole it and you had the chance to get it back it wouldn't be immoral.
centip3de wrote:Szayel wrote:Eh, I disagree. You can earn revenue on Youtube, so if someone is hacking your account, wouldn't that be stealing money-- AKA, property? Same thing goes for websites. If you are earning money by selling merchandise or by letting them use your services, wouldn't that be stealing as well?
It's kinda like if a company gave you a car. You don't exactly have ownership to it, but if someone stole it and you had the chance to get it back it wouldn't be immoral.
Right, but YouTube is giving you the money for being a good kid and making them money. It's like if you work in a retail job that gives you bonuses for every sale you get. The job is not your property, nor is the place you are selling it. Also, merchandise and services are not Internet based things, they also exist in the real world, whereas websites do not.
Szayel wrote:If someone hacked into your paypal account and took your money, would that not be stealing property?
centip3de wrote:Szayel wrote:If someone hacked into your paypal account and took your money, would that not be stealing property?
No, because your money would have never been stolen. Paypal is just representing an arbitrary number (the amount of money you decided to allow Paypal to access), which it made sure you had enough of said number from your bank account, but his is all just a representation of your actual money. No physical property has been taken, or changed, all of the money in your name is still there, thus, the bank can reimburse you by just changing the number.
Besides, when you give your money to the bank, you're giving it to them to keep on. You're giving them your property. They're in charge of it, not you. So, once again, you don't own that property any more.
LoGiCaL__ wrote:I would say yeah. Only because if person got caught they wouldn't see it like well user A deserved it because they were cracking peoples account. The argument could always be made that a report should have been filed.
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