Goatboy wrote:Situation 1: Illegal, unethical, not "hacking", and entirely immature. Hacking is not strictly limited to modification of hardware/software, but I would never call something like this a hack.
Goatboy wrote:Oh, that's simple. All you need to do is dedicate many years of your life to studying security.
pretentious wrote:Goatboy wrote:Situation 1: Illegal, unethical, not "hacking", and entirely immature. Hacking is not strictly limited to modification of hardware/software, but I would never call something like this a hack.
I agree, it's illegal and unethical. I'd like to know your definition of "hacking" though.
Situation 2: Is also illegal but noon's going to hate you for it.
I think any "hacking" situation you throw at us, is always going to be illegal. The legal definitions of "Hacking" that I've found are very general and can cover virtually anything. I recon the anti hacking laws have been put in place because 30+ year old network admins are sick of getting outsmarted by 13 year olds. I found a pretty serious looking vulnerability in a website and sent a message but to the guy who built it, hasn't fixed it yet. I'm thinking, instead of leaving the door to your house open and then bitching and trying to pass legislation when someone steals your TV, how about you close the door and install a dead bolt. Anyway, a little bit off topic, sorry guys, just wanted to share
WalkAroundHax wrote: As to your anti-hacking laws comment, the 30 year old network admins need to learn what their doing so they don't get outsmarted by 13 year olds, and actually get some good security protection.
WalkAroundHax wrote:I only have a little bit of legit hacking experience, not enough to do anything major though, but I like to see what I can do with computers.
Goatboy wrote:Oh, that's simple. All you need to do is dedicate many years of your life to studying security.
pretentious wrote:I agree, it's illegal and unethical. I'd like to know your definition of "hacking" though.
Situation 2: Is also illegal but noon's going to hate you for it.
pretentious wrote:I think any "hacking" situation you throw at us, is always going to be illegal. The legal definitions of "Hacking" that I've found are very general and can cover virtually anything. I recon the anti hacking laws have been put in place because 30+ year old network admins are sick of getting outsmarted by 13 year olds. I found a pretty serious looking vulnerability in a website and sent a message but to the guy who built it, hasn't fixed it yet. I'm thinking, instead of leaving the door to your house open and then bitching and trying to pass legislation when someone steals your TV, how about you close the door and install a dead bolt.
WalkAroundHax wrote:... the 30 year old network admins need to learn what their doing so they don't get outsmarted by 13 year olds, and actually get some good security protection. I only have a little bit of legit hacking experience, not enough to do anything major though, but I like to see what I can do with computers.
Goatboy wrote:I don't really have a clear-cut definition of hacking. I like to use Justice Potter Stewart's "I'll know it when I see it" stance. And I think the owner of the account would hate you if you deprived him of his porn.
goatboy wrote:Hacking is not illegal. Illegal hacking is illegal. If I "hack" my laptop's wifi card to increase the range beyond what it was designed for, that's not necessarily illegal. If I edit my Linux kernel's source to include my own beneficial rootkit, that's not illegal. And hacking laws are not put in place because admins are sick of getting outsmarted. They are put in place because some actions cause damage (such as stealing proprietary source code or defacing a web page). I think you have a rather outdated, "1995 Hackers movie" view of network admins and hacking in general. And your example of not having laws about stealing televisions makes no sense. A deadbolt will not stop a dedicated thief, just as a firewall will not stop a dedicated attacker. The laws are there basically as a deterrent against crime and as a way to repair damages.
Goatboy wrote:Oh, that's simple. All you need to do is dedicate many years of your life to studying security.
pretentious wrote:WalkAroundHax wrote: As to your anti-hacking laws comment, the 30 year old network admins need to learn what their doing so they don't get outsmarted by 13 year olds, and actually get some good security protection.
Yeah...WalkAroundHax wrote:I only have a little bit of legit hacking experience, not enough to do anything major though, but I like to see what I can do with computers.
When you say "Legit hacking experience" i hope you don't mean stealing people's email accounts by using their face book info. Don't get ahead of your self. Try out the challenges on this site and see how you go. I fear reality is going to hit you like a ton of bricks
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