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Re: Life got you down? - Christianity

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:12 pm
by Dredric1
sanddbox wrote:
To the other guy: Apparently you are not listening to me. I do not have 0% belief in god. I have -100% belief in god.

-- Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:58 am --

Honestly there could be floating rats and I wouldn't believe in god. Science has nothing to do with it. It is simply obvious that god is fictional.

Sure, science is a great piece of evidence. But the human mind is even more evidence.

Draz, no need to get worked up about it. You've tried your best, I'm hopeless. You can have fun in heaven.



here is why i am not giving up
people who get to the point that they want to commit suicide
start to talk they believe that it is all hopeless and they want to
know if people believe the same about them and so they say
things that beg the question
they say that their life does not matter
and they hope that the other person will tell them that it does matter
so that they can have a reason to live

i worked with a person who wanted to commit suicide
so at least for that situation i know

so from my perspective it is the same with your spiritual life
when people get to the point that they want to destroy their spiritual life
they start to talk
and discuss
and say things like you, sanddbox, are saying
if you really didn't believe in GOD 100% you
wouldn't be here
you wouldn't be discussing with us
because it wouldn't matter to you
and in our opinions you would have no interest

so in my view of you psychology
your trying to make a decision
and you want our opinion

so i'm giving it to you.
my opinion is that you should believe
because there is a GOD
and you need HIM

@faazshift
i am getting aggressive but not angry

Re: Life got you down? - Christianity

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:23 pm
by sanddbox
Dredric1 wrote:you have 0% belief


Dredric1 wrote:if you really didn't believe in GOD 100% you
wouldn't be here


Nice.

So let's get this straight.

I am trying to commit spiritual suicide,
Dredric1 wrote:so in my view of you psychology

which you have diagnosed with your INTENSE psychological experience.

Obviously because I don't believe in god I don't care for your opinion [/sarcasm]

Dredric1 wrote:and you need HIM

I beg to differ.

I'm still kind of curious how it is impossible for me to be interested in your opinion if I don't believe in god.

If you really believed in god 100%, you wouldn't care for my -100% belief opinion.

Anyways, I'm not destroying my spiritual life. I simply don't have a spiritual life =)

Re: Life got you down? - Christianity

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:02 pm
by faazshift
@Dredric1: I don't think he is going to just start believing if he sees no reason or logic in doing so.

@sanddbox: If someone truly believes in and follows God 100%, he will certainly desire others to have the same blessings. I think someone who completely believes is definitely going to care about someone who seems to completely disbelieve.

Re: Life got you down? - Christianity

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:44 pm
by Dredric1
Dredric1 wrote:you have 0% belief


Dredric1 wrote:if you really didn't believe in GOD 100% you
wouldn't be here


sanddbox wrote:Nice.

for the first part you took me out of context
it is actually
ok so if you have 0% belief in GOD


big word there "if"
very important


I'm still kind of curious how it is impossible for me to be interested in your opinion if I don't believe in god.


if you give the thought of GOD no possibility then
i would assume that my opinion doesn't matter to you because
it would not benefit you
and if you had no belief in GOD then
i would also assume that with
my opinion being that there is a GOD
you would throw out my arguments and call it quits

If you really believed in god 100%, you wouldn't care for my -100% belief opinion.


i don't believe that it is 0% yet
i think you are in the process of getting to zero
and if after time you show no change in opinion even by the slightest
i will probably move on to debate something else

Anyways, I'm not destroying my spiritual life. I simply don't have a spiritual life =)


sorry to be answering a question with a question but

did you ever have one?

@faazshift

so far he has asked for evidence and in my opinion there is no evidence for GOD other than how well everything
works together in the laws of nature and the like

and he has not asked for logic in any specific way but i think i might try that next

Re: Life got you down? - Christianity

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:44 pm
by sanddbox
Dredric1 wrote:
I'm still kind of curious how it is impossible for me to be interested in your opinion if I don't believe in god.


if you give the thought of GOD no possibility then
i would assume that my opinion doesn't matter to you because
it would not benefit you
and if you had no belief in GOD then
i would also assume that with
my opinion being that there is a GOD
you would throw out my arguments and call it quits

That logic is terrible. I do give the thought of god possibility. Does it matter whether your opinion benefits me? I'll still listen to it (a lot better than you do).
dredric1 wrote:
sanddbox wrote:If you really believed in god 100%, you wouldn't care for my -100% belief opinion.


i don't believe that it is 0% yet
i think you are in the process of getting to zero
and if after time you show no change in opinion even by the slightest
i will probably move on to debate something else


Oh. My. God. Please retake your 2nd grade math class, and learn the difference between -1 and 0.
Dredric1 wrote:
Anyways, I'm not destroying my spiritual life. I simply don't have a spiritual life =)


sorry to be answering a question with a question but

did you ever have one?

Not really.
Dredric1 wrote:@faazshift

so far he has asked for evidence and in my opinion there is no evidence for GOD


Fixed. God has nothing to do with the laws of nature.

Re: Life got you down? - Christianity

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:12 pm
by moneygreen
I'm a Christian (probably late into this)
but yea
from what i've seen i see no proof for the Christian Creation except the Bible and faith which is enough for me
and there is no proof of an alternative theory (Allah, Big Bang, Etc.)

Re: Life got you down? - Christianity

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:14 pm
by sanddbox
moneygreen wrote:I'm a Christian (probably late into this)
but yea
from what i've seen i see no proof for the Christian Creation except the Bible and faith which is enough for me
and there is no proof of an alternative theory (Allah, Big Bang, Etc.)


How is the bible proof enough to be christian but the Qu'ran not proof that Allah exists?

Re: Life got you down? - Christianity

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:23 pm
by moneygreen
i said there is no proof for the Christian Creation story except the bible (which i believe)
but then said there is no proof for allah or the big bang (except the quran) but the bible and quran is only proof to a believer so it cant be used in a debate
i choose to believe in the bible not because there is proof but through faith
just as a muslim believes in the quran not through proof but faith

Re: Life got you down? - Christianity

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:57 pm
by Dredric1
sanddbox wrote:That logic is terrible. I do give the thought of god possibility. Does it matter whether your opinion benefits me? .


well i did not know that you gave the thought of GOD a possibility

I'll still listen to it (a lot better than you do)


are you saying that you listen to my opinion a lot better than i listen to it.

Oh. My. God. Please retake your 2nd grade math class, and learn the difference between -1 and 0.

when was -1 mentioned ?
never mind

and in percent there is no negatives


Not really.

if you never had a spiritual life then
you would say "NO"
so i assume that you had one.
you should tell me more about it.

Dredric1 wrote:so far he has asked for evidence and in my opinion there is no evidence for GOD


Fixed. God has nothing to do with the laws of nature.


if this is sarcasm then you are indirectly saying that GOD does have something to do with
the laws of nature

p.s. amazing you capitalized GOD twice

Re: Life got you down? - Christianity

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:22 pm
by insomaniacal
I don't believe a god exists, but I also believe that there are supernatural forces. The problem is, we don't understand them, and have made no (or very little) progress into understanding them. They are out on a fringe, and rarely occur. This, in my opinion, is extremely important, since shouldn't we be studying the exceptions to the rule in order to improve the rule? Anyway, that's beside this discussion.

What you have to remember, is that you will not find God, or a god, unless you want to. And a "spiritual life" to me is nothing more than one's acceptance of there being something more than meets the eye in the world, as well as one's interpretation of it. Personally, I believe it's just another force, one that we can occasionally communicate with, and one that can effect the world, because it is simply another force. It sort of bends in and out of our understanding. Every god, and every religion, is just based off an interpretation of the unknown. From there, they have been abused throughout history in order to control people. People should think for themselves about this in my opinion, not just accept what others tell them.