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What's your opinions on Free Will and Free Speech?

Post by shadowboy12 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:59 am
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As title says.
Whats your opinions/thoughts on Free Will and Free Speech and the whole concept of Free judgment, the right to your opinions and thought/feelings?
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Post by m0nk3yl0v3r on Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:10 pm
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There is no freedom of speech theres words that if u say them u can get arrested and abviously there is no free will in the u.s
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Re: What's your opinions on Free Will and Free Speech?

Post by griallia on Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:54 am
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You can pick your choices, but not your consequences.
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Post by OneArrow on Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:09 am
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griallia wrote:You can pick your choices, but not your consequences.


By making your choices, you are picking your consequences, whether you like it or not. Cause and effect.

On topic, I can only echo comperr's sentiment in another thread:

comperr wrote:Personally I think this quote of Evelyn Beatrice Hall's sums it up
Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote:I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Re: What's your opinions on Free Will and Free Speech?

Post by TygerFang on Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:12 pm
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People have complete freedom of speech and absolute free will; until they try and use it to take other's free will and/or free speech. In that case a person has to be stopped or else all freedom will eventually be eliminated.
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Post by jcole50 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:35 am
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m0nk3yl0v3r wrote:There is no freedom of speech theres words that if u say them u can get arrested and abviously there is no free will in the u.s


Yes, there is no free will, Cops("pigs") can arrest whoever the hell they want on account of a THOUGHT that they MIGHT be a criminal, and lock them up in a cell for 14 hours.
Now, 2nd ammemant. "The right to bear arms" California had to VOTE to stop the government from banning handgun sales in California. Do you realize how stupid that is?
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Re: What's your opinions on Free Will and Free Speech?

Post by tomber on Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:38 pm
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My opinion on free will and speech in America is this:

People should gear more towards what they say to what will avoid getting them into trouble, while free speech is guaranteed by many laws including the constitution, if you say something(s) offensive enough that they are willing to take you to court then you can end up paying fines, hiring an attorney wasting both time and thought. It is common knowledge that money can buy favors or pass bills (on a lager scale) that would not have been passed without the influence of money. MY point, only talk as big as you are willing to pay.

Free will is different, I can usually do what I want, legal or not in America fairly easy as long as it doesn't not hurt someone else. As long as America remains true to history and people and that class is taught in school, hopefully it will stay that way.
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Re: What's your opinions on Free Will and Free Speech?

Post by Charlieace on Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:11 pm
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freedom of speech is brilliant. if only the US had it...
GET ME OUT OF AMERICA! MOVE ME TO IRELAND! IT LOOKS COOL THERE!

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Re: What's your opinions on Free Will and Free Speech?

Post by Heath Winchester on Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:22 am
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I don't get this. How the hell can anyone say the US doesn't have freedom of speech? How come people like Maddox exist then?

If I don't have freedom of speech why then can I go and speak mindless bullshit on any internet forum I want without suffering any consequences from the Government?

Right now I could go stand in the middle of a bloody soapbox and talk about how 9-11 was a conspiracy and the only thing they could get me for was if I "disturbed the peace" which if I'm not being profane I can get away with.

I am allowed to talk about the government in any way I please and nobody can do a damn thing to stop me. That's what is meant by "Freedom of Speech." Sure I can't go up to some soccer mom with 3 kids and cuss her out. (even though I'd love too) But what If I could do that and get away with it? That would be insane. No, as long as I can talk about how much I disapprove of something in a decent manner than I am fine with what I have. I think most people just want the ability to say anything they want to anybody at anytime. It's ridiculous.

On the subject of Gun Control; I am wholeheartedly for Americans being able to have certain guns. If you want to own rifles or even handguns that's fine with me. But that's not where people stop. My friend owed several fully automatic weapons and he was just an average citizen with no military background or anything. This is idiotic. Citizens do not need automatic weapons in their homes. I'd like for somebody to please state why this is necessary. I am also against citizens being able to procure a license and carry a concealed handgun. Again what is the point of this?
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Re: What's your opinions on Free Will and Free Speech?

Post by myhexhax on Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:29 pm
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Heath Winchester wrote:I don't get this. How the hell can anyone say the US doesn't have freedom of speech? How come people like Maddox exist then?

If I don't have freedom of speech why then can I go and speak mindless bullshit on any internet forum I want without suffering any consequences from the Government?

Right now I could go stand in the middle of a bloody soapbox and talk about how 9-11 was a conspiracy and the only thing they could get me for was if I "disturbed the peace" which if I'm not being profane I can get away with.


I agree with all of the above. I'm not sure what their news sources are feeding them, but free speech is freer in the US than in even the UK or Australia. In Australia, and several other 'western' countries the government is trying to implement internet censorship black lists. Their 'primary intention' is to block child porn, terrorist sites, etc. But if you do not know what is on the list, how do you know that they are not blocking certain political bloggers, etc? The leaked lists (see wikileaks..) have already proved that this is happening. That is the restriction of free speech. We're also more free when it comes to defamation laws. You state below:

Sure I can't go up to some soccer mom with 3 kids and cuss her out. (even though I'd love too) But what If I could do that and get away with it? That would be insane. No, as long as I can talk about how much I disapprove of something in a decent manner than I am fine with what I have.


But in actuality, you *can* do that in the US. Unless you are harassing her (harassment), hitting her (battery), or on her property (trespassing) I read about the defamation suits going on and how someone will threaten to sue you if you flip them off, etc. Your (not you, Heath) societies have become too touchy, too tolerant. You cannot appease everyone, and you need to have a little strength to survive in this world. If someone calls you a name, taking them to court is not the answer. And the world says we're sue happy...

On the subject of Gun Control; I am wholeheartedly for Americans being able to have certain guns. If you want to own rifles or even handguns that's fine with me.

Yay.

But that's not where people stop. My friend owed several fully automatic weapons and he was just an average citizen with no military background or anything. This is idiotic. Citizens do not need automatic weapons in their homes. I'd like for somebody to please state why this is necessary. I am also against citizens being able to procure a license and carry a concealed handgun. Again what is the point of this?

This is a very good question, and I can see where you are coming from. But I believe that you may be mistaking the original purpose of the 2nd amendment. Some people think that it is meant for home protection and of property. I could agree that it is. Some people think that it is to ensure self-defense. I could also agree with that. (your comment about the right to carry also makes me think you are unbeknowest to it's intention)

"The constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom
of the press." Thomas Jefferson

But these are just side effects of the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment, which is the restriction of government power. As you read the constitution, as well as quotes from our forefathers, etc.. you'll notice that the republic was constructed to have government in service of the people. For tyranny to be unable to survive. You have the right to speak freely against government. You have the right to assemble in protest. You have the right to report news unrestricted. You have the right to bear arms. You have the right to privacy against unreasonable search and seizure. You have the right to not disclose information that is self incriminating. You have the right to practice religion freely, and the government cannot recognize/restrict/promote any specific religion. States have the right to maintain sovereignty.

What do the above have in common? They are all anti-government.

When you are standing in Washington, protesting the government, and the tanks break down the barricades, with soldiers rushing out of their APC's, armed and ready, what are you going to do to defend your right? You sure as hell better be armed.

When you are on your land and the government comes to take it away from you, how are you going to protect yourself?

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -Thomas Jefferson
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" -Thomas Jefferson

While I'm at it, if you don't mind watching this video, I'd appreciate it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis
Hopefully it helps you understand why the restriction of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens is necessary, and why the right to carry must not be taken away. If people have guns in their house (which you said you support), and while they don't have the right to take them outside of their household, what makes you think that they will respect that law when they drive to their girlfriends to kill her and the guy that she's cheating on him with? or when they decide to drive to McDonalds and shoot all of the people inside? Why shouldn't we be able to take them wherever we go? You cannot defend yourself with a gun that is at your house!


As for...
Charlieace wrote:freedom of speech is brilliant. if only the US had it...

m0nk3yl0v3r wrote:There is no freedom of speech theres words that if u say them u can get arrested and abviously there is no free will in the u.s


The above are most likely remarks of uneducated youth, overexposure to propaganda, or any of the other ails that could make you think in such a contorted fashion. I appreciate contribution to the topic at hand, but I'd much appreciate it if you were to explicate your ideas. We could of course, turn this into a flame war, in which case I'd like to propose that we sue each other under our own laws. Anything that you say against me will be tried under the law of your country, and anything that I say against you will be tried under the law of the United States. Good luck. (I see that Charlieace lives in the US; I kindly suggest that you go read a book, or do something other than listen to your liberal teachers at school or the media that is brainwashing you. Please, I sincerely mean that >.<)
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