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"The Beginning" An old doc I found

Post by s0urcer3r on Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:54 am
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I was wondering if anyone more experienced here could tell me if the info in this article is outdated or inaccurate.

Here's a link to the doc: http://24.161.59.183/portwolf/texts/thebeginning.doc
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Post by thedotmaster on Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:19 am
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s0urcer3r wrote:I was wondering if anyone more experienced here could tell me if the info in this article is outdated or inaccurate.

Here's a link to the doc: http://24.161.59.183/portwolf/texts/thebeginning.doc


The Document wrote:GET / HTTP/1.0

That shows it's a little outdated but still a good read.
It has some good bits, especially for those less experienced.
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Re: "The Beginning" An old doc I found

Post by beagle on Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:33 am
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Wow. That is a well written document. I love the wall example:
Imagine two rooms. Between these two rooms is a solid brick wall. We as human being have been conditioned to believe that this wall keeps us from moving from one room to the other. From the moment each of us were born, we have been taught that we cannot move between these rooms. We have been made to think according to predefined rules. We think… in a box. Boxthinkers. Hacking - by any definition - is the art of thinking outside of that box. To creatively formulate new, unconventional ways to do things. Dennis Ritchie (the creator of C), Linus Torvalds, the people at Xerox who invented the mouse. All became who they were for thinking outside the box. Kevin Mitnick, Kevin Paulson - accomplished the legendary computer and phone system break-in they did for not being boxthinkers. Computer hacking does require an amount of technical knowledge. That’s why you’re reading this manual. Arguably more important, though, is creativity. Resourcefulness, and an open mind. When shown a brick wall, know that it is possible to get into the other room - all you have to do is figure out how.
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Post by thedotmaster on Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:14 am
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No. It's not well written. But it's got a bit of information that is still relevant.
And the wall example is ok, but Steven Levy's book is better.
For the 4th or so time today I shall recommend Steven Levy's "Hackers - Heroes of the Computer Revolution".
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Post by beagle on Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:25 pm
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beagle wrote:No. It's not well written.

That may be your belief, but please, don't criticize my belief. I'm entitled to my opinion, too.
thedotmaster wrote:For the 4th or so time today I shall recommend Steven Levy's "Hackers - Heroes of the Computer Revolution"

It's true, though, that "Hackers" is a good read.
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Post by thedotmaster on Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:08 pm
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It's true, though, that "Hackers" is a good read.

Have you read it?
And mm I shall criticize your belief all I want, though I shall not enforce my opinions onto you.
Large parts of it are simply incorrect, too simple or missing.
The grammar is poor too.
But other than that, it is ok, but there are better things to read.
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Post by beagle on Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:17 pm
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thedotmaster wrote:Have you read it?

Yes, I have.
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Post by thedotmaster on Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:56 pm
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beagle wrote:
thedotmaster wrote:Have you read it?

Yes, I have.

It's a damn good read. I really really want to go to MIT, I believe they have a museum with the LISP and TX-0 on show. Have you read Crypto?
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Post by beagle on Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:50 am
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thedotmaster wrote:Have you read Crypto?

No. I really wanted to, though, after reading "Hackers."
I love the last chapter in "Hackers", about the Last True Hacker.
Peter Sampson rules, too.
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Post by thedotmaster on Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:19 pm
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Yeah, were you at / did you listen to hope?
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