Restraints on Technological Advancement

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Restraints on Technological Advancement

Post by -Ninjex- on Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:30 am
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I have thought about this for a wile now, so just hear me out.

In this post, when I mean technological advancement, I mean a world based on technology, not saying ours is not; rather saying it could be taken to the extreme. A world similar to something you would see in a movie like Tron, although very fantasy like; most people would want/desire a world that is so highly advanced technologically.


We know that one of the biggest restraints to becoming a technologically advanced world is money. People either do not have enough money, or do not want to put money into technology. Because of course, other things are more important than technological advancement, such as war on drugs, warfare production, and other silly things. I was being rather sarcastic in my point made above, although it is important, there is an extent to where you can stop and realize you have enough nuclear missiles to destroy what ever the fuck you want and start putting that money towards something useful.

So what are some ways to get around the restraints of not having money? Open source projects come to mind. Though we have open source projects everywhere, there are no open source projects that are becoming breaking technological advancements. Sure there a lot of cool apps and fun things such as software etc, but nothing near as incredible as we would desire imo. Along with money however comes jobs, and without jobs, there is no money. So if you look a perfectly advanced technological world, everything would be automated for maximum efficiency. If everything becomes automated, then you have no job, which means no money.

For instance, say the world was so advanced that you got thirsty, opened up your fridge, and it was empty, nothing to drink. Well you have this piece of technology on your fridge, where you can type in an address, or maybe even a number of a store, order a drink with the options of how many ounces to purchase. It would then take a credit card/whatever the electronic money system is, and prompt you for payment, you pay for it and it begins to pour out of something that could be like an ice maker on a freezer today, or store it in a container built into the fridge if it is say a gallon or more. Walla, you just got a drink from your house without having to leave or think about leaving, because the technology there was automated for maximum efficiency.

However, think if it became like this worldwide, there would be no use for stores to have drinks, and if you are a business that sold only drinks at your local store, you can kiss your store good bye. If everything was automated for maximum efficiency. Many jobs would become lost/useless. This is another restraint for such a technologically advanced world. If you can't work, you can't get paid, if you can't get paid, then you can't purchase that drink from your tech savvy fridge.

Another factor that I believe plays a toll on this is power. If everyone had such powerful technology at their fingertips, it could either unfold into a beautiful technological world, or it would turn into a chaotic disaster. The reason for this is that with technology, there will always hold some sense of power behind it, whenever it does something great/desirable. In today's world, people such as the CIA, Feds, the Governments, usually have better access to technological devices that help them perform above the average population. This makes it easier for the justice system to pick out a needle in a haystack.
If everyone in the world had the same power that the President/Ruler of a country had, imagine how it could become a chaotic world very fast.

Hackers. I think people are scared to advance civilization purely based on technology, because after all; if someone can make something, someone can break it. Nothing is 100% secure, and always know that when someone is smart enough to make something; someone will be smart enough to figure it out, and how to manipulate it, period.

I also believe randomness plays a factor to some extent, as you need some things in the real world to be random. In computers, we can only simulate randomness by giving a changing number, such as calling a function to the time of your clock and send it into a mathematical algorithm to make the number seem random, although it is in fact not. To think about it though, in the real world nothing is random, as the future will happen, regardless of what you do now, it was bound to happen and will. Even if you think, "Hey, I am going to do this!", then you think about it and tell yourself "No, that is probably a bad idea." and feel like you changed your future, you didn't. Because your fate of the future was to do that regardless. A little weird, but if you think about, maybe it will make sense.

You also have the people that are scared to change. Some people do not like technology, hate it, it's against their morals/beliefs. These people want nothing to do with a world that could be purely amazing.

This is just something I thought about, and although we are a very technologically advanced world and are striving to advance, I see restraints as to how far people will allow it to advance.
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Re: Restraints on Technological Advancement

Post by 0phidian on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:43 am
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So what are some ways to get around the restraints of not having money? Open source projects come to mind. Though we have open source projects everywhere, there are no open source projects that are becoming breaking technological advancements. Sure there a lot of cool apps and fun things such as software etc, but nothing near as incredible as we would desire imo. Along with money however comes jobs, and without jobs, there is no money. So if you look a perfectly advanced technological world, everything would be automated for maximum efficiency. If everything becomes automated, then you have no job, which means no money.


However, think if it became like this worldwide, there would be no use for stores to have drinks, and if you are a business that sold only drinks at your local store, you can kiss your store good bye. If everything was automated for maximum efficiency. Many jobs would become lost/useless. This is another restraint for such a technologically advanced world. If you can't work, you can't get paid, if you can't get paid, then you can't purchase that drink from your tech savvy fridge.


I'd say that there arent many huge technological advancements in open source just because they dont have as many resources going into them, but maybe that wont be a problem in the future. If everything were to become automated, no job no money, then are economic system would become obsolete and we would have some sort of revolution and implement something more like socialism. With capitalism being obsolete, so to would be things like copyrights, so everything could be opensource. Then since everyone was no longer burdened by jobs or mundane tasks, everyone could put all of the time into working together to further even more technological advance. Of course the problem is would the captialists really develop something that would make them obsolete. So the automation technology would have to be open source and worked on collectivley by the people in order to overthrough the capitalists.
I know I sound like Marx, but it's just a thought.

I think our world is coming along pretty well though, mostly since there is alot of money to be made from technological advancement. I think are primary restraint is time.
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Re: Restraints on Technological Advancement

Post by -Ninjex- on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:30 pm
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The part about capatalists not wanting to build something like that basically hit it on point. I should have probably have tied that in with the power section of my OP. I agree with everything you mentioned as well, time is valuable and is all that people have. Time doesn't wait for you, and is never ending. It's up to people how they use their time, and most don't think about a better tommorow and only think of a good today.
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Re: Restraints on Technological Advancement

Post by bluntlee on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:57 pm
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very interesting topic I have also thought about this type of advancement.
There is a project in the works close to what you are describing.
Its called the Venus project, started by a brilliant man named Jacque Fresco, I would suggest you check it out.
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Re: Restraints on Technological Advancement

Post by -Ninjex- on Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:08 pm
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bluntlee wrote:very interesting topic I have also thought about this type of advancement.
There is a project in the works close to what you are describing.
Its called the Venus project, started by a brilliant man named Jacque Fresco, I would suggest you check it out.



I just watched the video on their main page. I have to say, that is purely amazing.
If I ever become a billionaire remind me to make a controlled project of this and bring in around 25-30k people to test this type of stuff on. Seriously you would figure they would have a controlled environment somewhere testing this type of society out.
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Post by bluntlee on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:06 pm
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I believe they are acuually are setting up a community in or around Florida.
the first stages of the project and I think jacque fresco is leading it.

jacque fresco is a boss there are interviews of him from 1970 talking about how we need to change the way things are ran. that was 40 years ago! the man is way ahead of his time.
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Re: Restraints on Technological Advancement

Post by -Ninjex- on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:16 pm
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bluntlee wrote:I believe they are acuually are setting up a community in or around Florida.
the first stages of the project and I think jacque fresco is leading it.

jacque fresco is a boss there are interviews of him from 1970 talking about how we need to change the way things are ran. that was 40 years ago! the man is way ahead of his time.


Yes, he is. I am not surprised that he had conversations with Albert Einstein, the man is brilliant. I can not disagree with anything he said. The main problem would be as said above, the capatalist, and time. You also have to understand that a lot of people fear the NWO, and would at first instinct probably act on this as so. I wonder if there is a sign up for his project, I would totally be down for it.

Imagine if you could get enough people to volunteer to help create this type of environment, and when they ask how much they are getting paid, tell them their payment is to be able to live there. Free, not worry about anything. I personally would help build a place like this, with my payment being able to live there, and that is how it should be world-wide.
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Re: Restraints on Technological Advancement

Post by bluntlee on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:56 pm
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yea If only there was a group to found the venus project, I really think that is the answer.
Just people are so blind to the truth, how can you not agree with the ideas that Jacque Fresco is presenting.

He has already started the project from Wikipedia
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Main article: The Venus Project

The Venus Project is a culmination of Fresco's life work and serves as a foundation that represents his vision of a future without poverty, crime, war, corruption, or waste. It was founded in 1980 and took its name in 1994. It is located in central Florida near west Lake Okeechobee about fifty miles northeast of Fort Myers. On its 21.5-acre lot, there are ten buildings designed by Fresco. It is partly a research center for Fresco and Roxanne Meadows, and partly an educational center for supporters of the project.[88] They produce videos and literature depicting and explaining their envisioned future and the goals to actualize it. Its ultimate aim is to improve society by moving towards a global, sustainable, technological social design that is termed a "resource-based economy".[89]
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