mookalovesgloop wrote:if it meant anything at all, i would absolutely vote...but after i learned that the electoral college *actually* makes the decision....what's the point??
You vote who gets to be in said electoral college, so it could have made a difference. Its not direct democracy but its not as bad as having no say in it at all. And don't forget there was also voting for other things then president.
In this country, we don't have the right to vote we have the duty to vote. Everyone votes or they get a fine. (its an attempt to get a proper reading on the wishes of the people.) We also don't vote directly for some positions though, we can vote for specific people but the highest rank(prime minister) is something that gets decided after the votes by all those elected.
And those specific people we vote for they might be in the government but we can't really know what position they'll end up having.
For prime minister its usually the main guy from the party with most votes, or they have that guy be the main guy while forming the government(so he gets to be the main guy to decide which position those that got voted in government will take) while the second largest party gets to have a prime minister. Its a strategic decision and we have no say in it.
The prime minister has no additional power like a president does though, but the process could in my opinion definitely be improved with direct democracy. But they won't be willing to make that change anytime soon, it'll be a strategic loss to them and we don't have the technology yet to pull it off.
liquid democracy as implemented in http://liquidfeedback.org/
seems like an awesome principle to me. But although the pirate party claims to use it I haven't actually seen people do anything useful on it, and there is not enough people actually participating. But a system like that mandatory on a national scale seems like something I would like.
Or voting by mail on specific issues every few months as the Swiss do is pretty cool too.
Also now the vote has been over for a few days you guys should know that in the whole world there was a big sigh of relief that Obama won. World leaders ware literally saying "thank god obama won" to news reporters. So good job america, seems like you did the right thing. Or at least something that is seen as favourable to those on the outside of it.
Chocolate milk tastes way better then coffee but coffee has caffeine and can have the same amount of sugar.. so I'm not sure what I prefer any more since I need caffeine to survive but also like tasty things. I usually just put 1 spoon of nesquick in my espresso so I don't have to decide XD