When is it O.K. to hack?

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Re: When is it O.K. to hack?

Post by fashizzlepop on Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:49 pm
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Its always okay to hack, it's never okay to destroy unless you are being vigilant.
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Re: When is it O.K. to hack?

Post by ShadowReaper1992 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:48 pm
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I feel that if you wish to hack, use it consturctively to benefit the majority of people. Those who would expliot the less fourtuante, or those that steal from them, whether it be higher taxes or crackers stealing personal information... neither of those are accepable. I may not be very experienced when it comes to hacking, but there are a few point's that I feel should be discussed. One is that we are all human beings... we should all try to get along, or we will end up destroying that which we have helped create. Nowadays the media portrays a Hacker as someone who breaks into a system and wrecks mulltiple lives. I have decided to devote time and energy to this site, not because I want to take away from anyone, but because I myself am learning various weaknesses to improve upon, and then correct. I guess you could call me a gray hat hacker... I don't mind the legal risks as long as certain information is protected. There are certain rare cases where I do believe that personal information could be avaliable to others, such as a pedophile lving down the street from you and your children, or a black hat hacker who takes from others without even bothering to see if those they steal from can really afford it. I know I may be shunned, but I don't care. We should help those in need, and leave those well off with enough to survive. You all may not agree with my ideas, but I believe in them.
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Re: When is it O.K. to hack?

Post by pretentious on Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:15 am
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a little necro but anyway. I think hacker ethics come down to common sense. While personally i think it's pretty naive to say, "only use computers for the good of humanity etc.", We all have our reasons for doing what we do. I think anyone who destroys for the sake of destruction is a bit of a douche.
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Re: When is it O.K. to hack?

Post by LoGiCaL__ on Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:38 am
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It's never o.k. to hack. Hence the name. The best hack always goes undetected. So, all these viruses/malware that makes your pc go slow is really not as "leet" as you think it is. I'm an advocate of "first learn the technology" and then learn. Learn enough to build sites/apps/programs then learn enough to "hack"....that's when it's ok.

When is it O.K. to hack?? Look at the color of your hat.
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Re: When is it O.K. to hack?

Post by nerdysmurf on Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:38 pm
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I think that it is ok to poke around sites, trying to find security flaws, so long as you do not USE to holes that you find, and you report the bugs.
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Re: When is it O.K. to hack?

Post by pretentious on Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:56 pm
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nerdysmurf wrote:I think that it is ok to poke around sites, trying to find security flaws

Is it illegal to try and fail? I couldn't imagine being arrested for typing "or 1 = 1" into a text field. Do you become a criminal the minute you beat the system? And what about DDOS attacks where the bots are consenting?(i think anonymous has something like that, might be wrong) Servers are build to process requests, what's illegal about Giving a lot to them
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Re: When is it O.K. to hack?

Post by limdis on Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:44 pm
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pretentious wrote:Is it illegal to try and fail? I couldn't imagine being arrested for typing "or 1 = 1" into a text field. Do you become a criminal the minute you beat the system? And what about DDOS attacks where the bots are consenting?(i think anonymous has something like that, might be wrong) Servers are build to process requests, what's illegal about Giving a lot to them


Tis a very broad gray line. Depends largely on the state/country the server is housed in and where you are located. In short, no. But yes. You brute force a website for a few hours get ready to get a lawsuit if you get busted. It's considered a theft of services by preventing proper bandwidth allocations to the host. If the site is used for business it gets even more complicated. You can't really get into trouble for little SQL injections that fail. Even if one works its still technically not illegal at the said point. If you pursue further then yes.
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Re: When is it O.K. to hack?

Post by RobinTheHoodlum on Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:34 pm
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Do you guys think it is ok to hack the people who are part of the 1%. I feel like they need to be just so that wealth can be spread a little bit more evenly. I feel like the 1% have cheated their way to the top and they need to be cheated themselves and the government has allowed them to do this if they gave them a cut of the loot. I really do feel like targeting people that are affiliated with the 1% and spreading the wealth to people who really need it. Hence my user name.
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Re: When is it O.K. to hack?

Post by ghostheadx2 on Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:47 pm
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@RobinTheHoodlum,

I understand your point. I think the hacktivists are probably right. I would let you know however, that that's also an excellent way to get yourself ten years in the slammer. I think it would be very unwise to just break the law in protest by cracking the top 1% unless you knew what you were doing. If you do decide to do so, don't try to use the media or report whatever you find to expose corruption (you can, and I think people who do are brave however...) because that means you've gotten caught immediately just because that gives however you send to info to your identity, and if you do it Anonymously they now have a name and IP tracert path that they can use to find you after getting past a VPN + they know someone had to have sent that email and that that person might be a hacker. The people who find you for that stuff are good at what they do, and I mean really good at what they do. I agree with what Anonymous has to say although I don't break the law myself because I think its unwise.

Now, is it ethically correct to hack the top 1%. I think yes because they are very corrupt, but ethically corrupt doesn't mean wise or even necessarily not foolish. It would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. It would be very risky. But I do agree that those people probably need to be there and that nature or god (whichever you believe in) made them for a good reason. That's my take on it anyways.
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Re: When is it O.K. to hack?

Post by boriz666 on Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:20 am
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Hacking is not just with computers, its also hacking electronics you
have access to, to make it do something more awesome than was
intended by the manufacturer.

When its ok to hack depends on your morality.

If you follow the norm in soceity, its ok to hack things you have
gotten permission to hack or things that you own, unless you have
an apple product which propably says in the eula that you can't.

Some think its ok to hack:
- if you don't get caught
- if its only a prank
- if you don't destroy anything
- if its the rich 1%
- if you own what you are hacking in the first place

You might have other thoughts about the subject and thus the
question "when is it ok to hack", boils down to your own morality.
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