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Internet Kill-Switch

Post by S4ltine on Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:58 pm
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A controversial bill handing President Obama power over privately owned computer systems during a "national cyberemergency," and prohibiting any review by the court system, will return this year.

Portions of the Lieberman-Collins bill, which was not uniformly well-received when it became public in June 2010, became even more restrictive when a Senate committee approved a modified version on December 15. The full Senate did not act on the measure.

The revised version includes new language saying that the federal government's designation of vital Internet or other computer systems "shall not be subject to judicial review." Another addition expanded the definition of critical infrastructure to include "provider of information technology," and a third authorized the submission of "classified" reports on security vulnerabilities.

The idea of creating what some critics have called an Internet "kill switch" that the president could flip in an emergency is not exactly new.

A draft Senate proposal that CNET obtained in August 2009 authorized the White House to "declare a cybersecurity emergency," and another from Sens. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.V.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) would have explicitly given the government the power to "order the disconnection" of certain networks or Web sites. House Democrats have taken a similar approach in their own proposals.

Lieberman, who recently announced he would not seek re-election in 2012, said last year that enactment of his bill needed to be a top congressional priority. "For all of its 'user-friendly' allure, the Internet can also be a dangerous place with electronic pipelines that run directly into everything from our personal bank accounts to key infrastructure to government and industrial secrets," he said.


Woaw, a new language? I wanna see!!!
A cyber-security emergency? Anyone care to run some theories by me as of what could occur and how shutting off every ones internet would be the solution?
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Re: Internet Kill-Switch

Post by fashizzlepop on Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:25 pm
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"New language" as in amendments to that specific writing.

A Cyberemergency would consist of a foreign nation attempting to attack us via the internet. Cyberattacks basically.

The only problem is that even if you cut off all international internet connections, it would be fairly simple to have someone inside the US initiate the attack or have a satellite hookup that allows the exterior internet to still access America's "intranet" per se.
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Re: Internet Kill-Switch

Post by S4ltine on Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:43 pm
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I was going for more of a chinese cyber attack that turned individuals PC's into zombies' that somehow added to the numbers in such an emergency ;/

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I was going for more of a chinese cyber attack that turned individuals PC's into zombies' that somehow added to the numbers in such an emergency ;/
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Re: Internet Kill-Switch

Post by Brendan2011 on Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:35 pm
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fashizzlepop wrote:The only problem is that even if you cut off all international internet connections, it would be fairly simple to have someone inside the US initiate the attack or have a satellite hookup that allows the exterior internet to still access America's "intranet" per se.


The bill doesn't give the president power to cut off external connections like unplugging your router; it requires any ISP to shutdown (and search engines and software firms for some weird reason) on command or face fines. There would simply be no internet service to anybody on ISPs that comply.

Besides, this bill is overzealous. After all, what are they protecting during cyberattacks by giving the president this power? The government? The government already has secure, air-gapped networks that would prevent access to anyone that's not already on the inside. The people on the internet? The moment you connected to the internet you were at risk of somebody finding a vulnerability in your firewall's firmware, or DoS'ing your website, or tricking you into downloading a virus.

There is no warfare-strength attack prevalent on the internet. Even shutting down all the US based ISPs wouldn't plug all the holes, as people could still use obscure ISPs on bordering countries or satellite communications.
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Re: Internet Kill-Switch

Post by thetan on Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:36 pm
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viewtopic.php?f=37&t=6722&start=0#p52949

^^ yeah .... that just happened
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Re: Internet Kill-Switch

Post by LoGiCaL__ on Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:43 am
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Just like anything else that is a privilege, when it gets abused or misused too much or to an extreme extent, everyone will suffer. I'm not saying it's right or even fair, but who even knows if this will happen for sure? The government is the reason why we even have the internet in the first place. It doesn't surprise me that they would want the power to take it away.
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Re: Internet Kill-Switch

Post by tremor77 on Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:17 pm
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Will they disconnect phone service as well? What prevents me from hooking my 56k modem up to the phone line and dialing a canadian or for that matter a russian ISP where I've had some hacked accounts in my back pocket since 1998?

Talk about crippling the nation... no such emergency should be great enough to ever enact this... the results of shutting down the internet would be far more devastating than any "cyber attack". Businesses and industries that rely on the internet for daily operation would go into standstill. Lines of communication people now rely on would be down. Billions of $ would be lost. Billions more could be stolen... so much relies on the internet now, security systems, surveillance video cameras... criminal minded individuals such as myself would take so much advantage of something like this it wouldn't be funny. Anarchy would ensue.
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Re: Internet Kill-Switch

Post by h1ack on Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:01 pm
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tremor77 wrote:Will they disconnect phone service as well? What prevents me from hooking my 56k modem up to the phone line and dialing a canadian or for that matter a russian ISP where I've had some hacked accounts in my back pocket since 1998?

Talk about crippling the nation... no such emergency should be great enough to ever enact this... the results of shutting down the internet would be far more devastating than any "cyber attack". Businesses and industries that rely on the internet for daily operation would go into standstill. Lines of communication people now rely on would be down. Billions of $ would be lost. Billions more could be stolen... so much relies on the internet now, security systems, surveillance video cameras... criminal minded individuals such as myself would take so much advantage of something like this it wouldn't be funny. Anarchy would ensue.


Totally agree. I bet you whoever came up with this doesn't know anything about technology.
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Re: Internet Kill-Switch

Post by Fallenn on Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:17 pm
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Mmmmm...

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Oh boy. What every other dictator in the world has, let's introduce it to America. Fantastic idea...
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Re: Internet Kill-Switch

Post by Zeref on Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:47 pm
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I'm just curious

1) When an cyber-attack(international) happens and they select the ISP's to kill, what about the other ISP's, wont the attacks simply find alternates?

2) I'm sure many government organizations use those private ISP's, if they are shut down, the government would also be at a stand still.

3) what if the cyber-attack happens from the inside, how are they planning on solving that.

It seems like when they say kill-switch, they are thinking of turning off the electricity then 1hr later turn it back on, I'm sure that a cyber-attack could last far longer than that.

The Kill-switch is itself a cyber-attack on the people.
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