Calian wrote:Religion is a crutch for weak and scared
So your telling me because I don't believe that I evolved from a fish, an believe that there is more to my existance than that, I'm weak and scared? I'd like to say thats a load of shit.
I believe Tremor is trying to make the point that theists find comfort, reassurance, strength, guidance, and a multitude of other boons, from external spiritual entities. Remove said spirituality and you are left with an individual who has no compass for navigating life on their own.
Suppose you really want a promotion at work. Will you pray to God for it? Most Judeo-Christians would. If you're smart though, you know that God won't just drop it in your lap, you need to go work for it. So you do. Upon achieving what you set out to, do you thank God, or do you thank yourself?
One of my favorite lines from literature kind of sums it up from a slightly different point of view:
"Do you believe in God, Andrei? No. Neither do I. But that's a favorite question of mine. An upside-down question, you know. What do you mean? Well, if I asked people whether they believed in life, they'd never understand what I meant. It's a bad question. It can mean so much that it really means nothing. So I ask them if they believe in God. And if they say they do -- then, I know they don't believe in life. Why? Because, you see, God -- whatever anyone chooses to call God -- is one's highest conception of the highest possible. And whoever places his highest conception above his own possibility thinks very little of himself and his life. It's a rare gift, you know, to feel reverence for your own life and to want the best, the greatest, the highest possible, here, now, for your very own." -- We The Living
Calian wrote:You tell a child that they evolved from some random protein strings coming together an a few million years later they became a fish and a few million after that they changed into something else, and they laugh at you. Strange that adults believe it through and through.
Children (barring the rare case) lack the intellectual capacity for understanding evolution. Religion tends to be far easier to teach, as Goatboy mentioned. Adults, however, possess the ability to readily distinguish between fantasy and reality, even if they choose to not exercise it. It seems, by your line of reasoning, that it would be perfectly acceptable for adults to continue believing in fairies and pixie dust simply because many children do. Wait a minute... Irony?
Calian wrote:Your telling me that you honestly without a doubt believe that you evolved? It's strange that over the past what at least 3000 years that nothing is still evolving? A little strange I'd say, don't see no animals evolving either. Now you might bring up adaptation an Darwin yea, but if I was a 100meter sprinter my body would adapt to being better at that, doesn't mean I evolved.
Your understanding of the subject matter is beneath that of my 6-year old nephew, literally. Documented evolution is occurring throughout the animal kingdom. I guess you didn't get the memo about the genetic divergence of Orcas, African butterflies developing new defense mechanisms against predators, lizards in Australia(?) suddenly switching from egg-hatched young to placental birth... Even in humans it is still happening. Especially in third-world countries. More developed nations such as America is undergoing a much different variation: aesthetics. Face it, beautiful people are the first choice in breeding. Ugliness is slowly being bred out.
Calian wrote:An even more strange that before the Precambrian explosion there aint no fossil records, so out of nowhere Organic material turned up, then it began to evolve. I don't believe the crap that you get spoon fed in school these days, people need to go out and look up there own opinions instead of coming to a conclusion based on something they learn when there like 11 years old.
The first multi-celled lifeforms appeared in the Precambrian and you're complaining that we haven't found a single-celled fossil that pre-dates that?
Calian wrote:Law was well established. Society wasn't. An the Law back in the bible times was rather strict. 600+ Laws, there all in the bible, and they cover pretty much everything. I'd say the law was established. Just because humans come in and mess it up doesn't mean that God is in the wrong.
Society was definitely established. You may have heard of the Roman Empire? Unless you mean some of the early Old Testament years, in which case Egypt was a thriving entity. My history of the Fertile Crescent is a little hazy, but the Middle East was bustling around the same era. In fact, Hammurabi's Code, from Babylon, beats Biblical law by a long shot. I think there may have even been an earlier record found from another pre-monotheistic society. Don't quote me on that, though.
Calian wrote:If I understand this right, people belive religon and other people believe in the theory of evolution, but according to what your saying doesn't religon then become it's self a theory, the theory of god, now to my understanding there is a logic behind every theory. So saying that it's illogical isn't right really. An mis-guided teachings? Again humans mess up the teachings,its not the teachings that are mis-guided, the people are. An not by the teachings either, but by there interpretation of the teachings.
No. On so many levels. Theories are models used to explain physical phenomenon and are backed by mountains of empirical evidence. God is backed by nothing empirical. He/she/it has just as much supporting evidence as Hansel and Gretel. Before anyone goes there though, anecdotes, even a haphazard collection of them, do not qualify as empirical. God, by the very definition that theists place upon he/she/it, lies outside of the boundaries of science and logic; a superfluous entity that cannot be either proven nor dis-proven.
I think you're spot on with the "humans screwing up the teachings" part, though.