Well, I've been gone for a few days (went to my brother's wedding) and just got back...
I just read this thread and honestly laughed...
sanddbox wrote:There's an important (albeit subtle) difference between a debate and a flame war. Flaming involves throwing (usually baseless) insults, while debates are an actual discussion.
True, a flame war wouldn't actually begin unless *I* got angry also, since those remarks were directed at me - So NOW THE FLAME WAR BEGINS!!!
Just kidding... haha
Seriously though - 0xBEEF1337 - Take a pill - I doubt anyone reading this would disagree - WALK AWAY FROM THAT SCREEN, you've spent too much time in front of it, I've been there, apparently, (like you) I've spent way too much time in front of a PC, and it makes you an asshole like this from time to time...
I have no intentions of starting a flame war, and will likely never respond to anything else posted in this particular thread due to the fact that you obviously cannot control your rage. However, I do feel the need to respond to your attack...
First off - SORRY about stating that Google Chrome was the same as IE, as I said, I've never used it and while I was working @ Microsoft, I troubleshot a PC once that had a modified IE browser on it (there are many) - I thought this was one of them, OOPS, my bad - Boy am I an idiot!???? Whatever... I'm human, guess what, sometimes we're wrong...
I probably should have researched the browser more, but at the time, I was only concerned with what the shortcut you were discussing was.
Either way - the point was about you using the add-ons instead of programming the solution... Hence - SCRIPT KIDDIE solution. If you already have the skills, as I already mentioned, these tools aren't useless and can be faster... But the point of the missions is to learn what's going on behind the scenes, and programming the solution is generally the only real way to fully understand them in most cases... How good are those add-ons on a PC that doesn't have them installed and with no internet access??? Which is why we learn a more 'generic' way of doing things ourselves without the need for some tool that somebody else designed... It separates script kiddies from real hackers... Most real hackers, generally try not to use these tools anyways - Why? It tends to make us forget how to manually do it if needed... We try to learn to do things on a computer with whatever tools come with the OS if we can, without the need to install or download anything. With all your programming background, I'm sure you MUST understand that concept. We don't all have photographic memories.
First off - take a look at the time stamps - When I began my post - YOUR ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS IN THE THREAD - I hadn't noticed any edit that you had made until JUST NOW when I logged in, you obviously modified your message while I opened a window to edit it and saved it again before I responded and clicked on submit - Not surprising considering the ridiculous amount of things I tend to do while multitasking on a computer from time to time, and as many of us do, tend to get side tracked before finishing some things.
Second, at the time of your post, I looked at your profile and all you had were a few basic missions done - I'd be the first one to admit that this doesn't necessarily state that you don't know what you're doing on a PC, but 70-90% of the time, it's a pretty safe bet for many of the people on this site, which is WHY I worded my response the way that I did... When I started on this site, I was already a very capable programmer and as such, obviously even already had some hacking skills, but the truth is that if you don't know how to hack and just start solving some of the basic missions using 3rd party tools, you'll have some problems when you try to do some of the later missions... There are some subtle tricks that even an experienced programmer would need to pick up on in order to move on...
Third, I've noticed you've done PLENTY more missions since, so you either are as good as you say (maybe... the missions you've done are all still quite easy) or you're just talking out your ass and using a shit load of walkthrus, or whatever - No one will ever no, or likely really care. But by your response we ALL know one thing - You are a fucking prick with very little social skills. You jump to conclusions, and personally, I already don't like you. The only one raging here is you. The rest of us simply debate and learn. Stop taking it so personally, the only one I'm seeing with a bloated ego so far is you.
0xBEEF1337 wrote:I've been writing software for a long time, so really, don't start down talking down to me and saying I'm clueless about ECMA script because I use chrome instead of installing 50 extensions, especially when I've actually talk with the TC-39 group.
Wow, I'm so impressed... The only people with bloated ego's are those who feel that they have to justify themselves... I doubt anyone cares... Many of us on here have been programming for decades... INCLUDING me - Ooops, now there goes MY BLOATED EGO!!!
BTW, am I the only one who found that this sentence didn't make much sense???
0xBEEF1337 wrote:You really want to say I don't know my shit? I've dedicated my life to becoming a greasy nerd, back the fuck off and don't call me a script kiddy because I use a browser you don't like-- because it's just like IE-- Because you've never used it.
Re-read my comment - I never, not even ONCE, specifically stated that you were an idiot or that you didn't actually know anything, nor did I call YOU a script kiddie... Implied maybe, but I certainly didn't personally attack you. I have no way of knowing how much you know and made an educated guess based on the information I saw. I'm also FAR from the first person to respond to this kind of message in this way - Being how 'superior' you are though, I shouldn't need to tell you that... Your response certainly shows a lack of understanding in something... One would almost think that you're trying to compensate for something...???
Anyways, your ignorance and rage is starting to get the better of me, so ciao.
And yes, I'm sure we're ALL impressed by you.... You've certainly made an impression on me... You MAY be smart, but you have MUCH to learn. Social tact being a big one.