A Note to New Users

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Re: A Note to New Users

Post by acantho on Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:48 pm
([msg=38128]see Re: A Note to New Users[/msg])

I've a question about this, well maybe more a statement you decide, however, say someone posts such as " hey how do I hack in to this to do this or that to it etc etc " a post that would be a perma-ban post.

OK so you ban them - they could go set up another email account and if they have a dynamic IP like with AOL they could then get back in! Alternatively if they use a proxy they could use a new email and get back in that way !

So if they get back in they can do the same again, or maybe behave this time around, either way the perma-ban is circumvented.

Just wondering your thoughts on this and have you got a way to stop them doing as I described above ?

No I've never been banned - I am a genuine noob, and no I've no intention of asking how to do this or that as regards hacking - I'm here to learn, pick up some tips - I doubt if I know enough to contribute, but you never know, and maybe have a chat about random things in the non-compy type sub forums - I'm sure I saw one :mrgreen:
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Re: A Note to New Users

Post by sanddbox on Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:00 pm
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acantho wrote:I've a question about this, well maybe more a statement you decide, however, say someone posts such as " hey how do I hack in to this to do this or that to it etc etc " a post that would be a perma-ban post.

OK so you ban them - they could go set up another email account and if they have a dynamic IP like with AOL they could then get back in! Alternatively if they use a proxy they could use a new email and get back in that way !

So if they get back in they can do the same again, or maybe behave this time around, either way the perma-ban is circumvented.

Just wondering your thoughts on this and have you got a way to stop them doing as I described above ?

No I've never been banned - I am a genuine noob, and no I've no intention of asking how to do this or that as regards hacking - I'm here to learn, pick up some tips - I doubt if I know enough to contribute, but you never know, and maybe have a chat about random things in the non-compy type sub forums - I'm sure I saw one :mrgreen:


We don't permaban people that ask us to h4x0r myspace (to the best of my knowledge)...although if they use AOL I hope to god they leave this place.
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Re: A Note to New Users

Post by acantho on Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:05 pm
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I dont use AOL, just what I heard about it with teh dynamic IPs think tere are other ISPs that do the same, was just wondering how you could perma-ban anyone - seems like with proxies it's pretty much impossible unless you have coded the site to not accept proxies.

Just mussing over the OP
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Re: A Note to New Users

Post by msbachman on Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:21 pm
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thelastchapter666 wrote:
sanddbox wrote:Great post!

...Watch people still ask us to hack their friend's myspace.

can you hack this guys myspace for me dude? http://www.myspace.com/someidiot
XD


Try the link, it actually resolves to some dude.

What makes that funny was that it was probably wholly unintentional. :lol:
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Re: A Note to New Users

Post by randomdjd on Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:37 am
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great post......BUT
i dont think people who are genuinely interested in computer security will ever land to this thread they would rather flame the forums for hack requests :D
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Re: A Note to New Users

Post by DarknessXIII on Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:07 pm
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acantho wrote:OK so you ban them - they could go set up another email account and if they have a dynamic IP like with AOL they could then get back in! Alternatively if they use a proxy they could use a new email and get back in that way !

So if they get back in they can do the same again, or maybe behave this time around, either way the perma-ban is circumvented.

Just wondering your thoughts on this and have you got a way to stop them doing as I described above ?


Great Post Goatboy

In my opinion, some ban by MAC address which is something like a indentification number, so normally unless one knows how to renew their MAC address they would stay banned on that particular site even if they are using a dynamic IP with AOL or using a proxy with a new email to get in.

Please correct me if i'm wrong one this Thanks ;)
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Re: A Note to New Users

Post by Goatboy on Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:56 pm
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MAC addresses only matter on the local network, not over the Internet.
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Re: A Note to New Users

Post by sanddbox on Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:36 pm
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For the reasons Goatboy said that idea is ridiculous and a total myth. Websites never see your MAC address - only your network did.
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Re: A Note to New Users

Post by msbachman on Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:50 pm
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Yes, burn that fact into your brain: MAC addresses are stripped at the first router. Why, you ask? Because it's a particularly good test to see if someone knows what they're talking about when you meet someone bragging about some faggot-ass cisco credential they have.

The one caveat of when MAC addresses are important is when you're doing something that involves filtering at the same router you're connecting to. This is real common on wireless routers.

Not even IP addys are very good to use to uniquely identify people by, because with NAT you can have numerous computers all sharing the same IP. Banning said IP would prevent all of them from connecting, so it's a bad solution (too commonly used, unfortunately).

Which leads me off on a tangent, wherein a few nights ago I was posting something to 4chan behind a proxy...rather, attempting to, because in the process I found the proxy's IP had been banned for "child pornography." I tried another, only to find out it too had been banned for an analogous reason ("naked child"). All in all it took me a total of four tries to find an address which wasn't banned! So unfortunately, especially in the context of 4chan, the only unique identifier they might you (make that all websites)--an identifier that's truly unique, might be cookies.

The moral of the story is that there's a lot of creeps on 4chan.
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Re: A Note to New Users

Post by sanddbox on Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:09 pm
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msbachman wrote:The moral of the story is that there's a lot of creeps on 4chan.


I never guessed!

Anyways, the problem with using cookies is that they are easily deleted, tracked, or simply not stored in the first place.

Anyone else get the irony of "faggot-ass"?
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