sins

[The7thGuest]

I have started my own topic where we can discuss this to avoid hogging this post from the actual topic of sins.

[Defience]

Spectre557: That's your 'fun' list? Let me ask you this.....if you had a choice between things on your fun list or eternal life in a beautiful heaven, which would you.....wait......you DO have that choice
A big part about such a negative view of Christianity is simply not understanding it. An example from your list would be alcohol and drugs. As far as alcohol goes, there's no issue in the bible about having a couple of drinks. It's the indulgence in it that can be a problem not only because after time it can be harmful to your body but because you can become weakened in your thinking and actions while intoxicated. When someone wakes up the following day and can't remember or can't believe that they did some stupid things the night before, that becomes an issue as it should for anyone. Jesus had wine with his disciples. Was that a sin? No. If he got a buzz off of the wine would it have been a sin? I don't see why it would, BUT temptation becomes much easier to give into in that state so it's discouraged.
The same goes for drugs in that they can also be harmful to your body and leave you open to greater temptation, not to mention possible addiction, etc. or interference with job, family, law, friends and so on (same with alcohol).
Of course there are some sects that take it to a whole different level like the Amish ( I believe) who don't believe in medicine, doctors, etc.
Gambling and money.....again it depends on what you do with it. If you spend beyond your means it becomes a problem. Someone that would rather bet money on something than pay their bills has issues, but if you throw a dollar on the lottery ticket here and there, it's not a problem. I know a guy that lives with his fiance and he also has a house that he rents out. Well, he's losing that house because he takes the rent money and hits the casino with it thinking he'll win big and it will solve everything. It's too late now. What a waste.....fortunately for him, his fiance keeps him in line with their townhouse.
I don't want to go through the whole list, I just wanted to make the point that I am a Christian, I love God, I love life, and I still have lots of fun! Nothing could make me happier than knowing my place when I leave this world. Nothing else can compare.
The7thGuest: I will post on your other topic.

[Dredric1]

[quote="Spectre557]
Ok, that was a pretty general statement.

But to be honest, there are a hell of a lot of fun things that are sinful. I'm referring here to sins among all collective major religions:
- Sex (of any description outside of marriage, or ever with more than one person, or with a condom)
- Drugs, including alcohol and tobacco (because apparently even your own body belongs to "Him")
- Asking difficult questions about the universe
- Medicinal drugs or even general medical treatment (because if you're ill, God WANTS you to be)
- Having money
- Not having money (because you don't work)
- Masturbation
- Questioning what you are told
- Wearing nice clothes
- Wearing too few clothes
- Gambling
- Borrowing/lending money
- Being gay
- Thinking independently
- Video games
- Violent movies/TV
- Not taking care of yourself enough
- Worrying too much about yourself
- Not ignoring scientific facts
- Being attractive to the opposite sex
- Thinking about sinning[/quote]

here is my reply to all that
oh and thanks for bringing all that up
because i think everyone should openly discuss these

-sex - the most screwd up people that i know are the ones most involved in this
-drugs- ok i lied about sex these are the most screwd up ones
-Asking difficult questions about the universe- since GOD created the universe there is bound to be things we dont understand

- Medicinal drugs or even general medical treatment - God does not want us to be ill and doctors are one way he heals us
-having money - God wants us to be rich so we can help others , but if we rely on riches and not God he will take them away
- not having money - sometimes God takes our riches to test our hearts - i sugest you read -Job-
- Masturbation - you arent hurting yourself or others and the bible doesnt prohibit it
- Questioning what you are told - God loves it when we question him because it gives him an opportunity to show us why
- Wearing nice clothes - a little too ambiguos
- Wearing too few clothes - for what reason are you wearing too few clothes? that is were the sin comes in
- Gambling - not a sin but can get you hurt or others hurt - falls into the catagory of stealing
- Borrowing/lending money - God says in the bible that we are alowed to borrow and lend money
- Being gay - now that is sick
- Thinking independently - thats not in itsself a sin
- Video games - depends on the content of the video game
- Violent movies/TV- depends on what type of violence
- Not taking care of yourself enough- as in sining would be not taking care of you self?
- Worrying too much about yourself - egocentricity as in you more important than God?
- Not ignoring scientific facts - do you know that these facts are facts?
- Being attractive to the opposite sex- if you are a stripper than thats a sin. but if you are attractive and not stripping or doing other things its not a sin

- Thinking about sinning - lusting for sin is a sin

[Spectre557]

Spectre557: That's your 'fun' list? Let me ask you this.....if you had a choice between things on your fun list or eternal life in a beautiful heaven, which would you.....wait......you DO have that choice
A big part about such a negative view of Christianity is simply not understanding it. An example from your list would be alcohol and drugs. As far as alcohol goes, there's no issue in the bible about having a couple of drinks. It's the indulgence in it that can be a problem not only because after time it can be harmful to your body but because you can become weakened in your thinking and actions while intoxicated. When someone wakes up the following day and can't remember or can't believe that they did some stupid things the night before, that becomes an issue as it should for anyone. Jesus had wine with his disciples. Was that a sin? No. If he got a buzz off of the wine would it have been a sin? I don't see why it would, BUT temptation becomes much easier to give into in that state so it's discouraged.
The same goes for drugs in that they can also be harmful to your body and leave you open to greater temptation, not to mention possible addiction, etc. or interference with job, family, law, friends and so on (same with alcohol).
Of course there are some sects that take it to a whole different level like the Amish ( I believe) who don't believe in medicine, doctors, etc.
Gambling and money.....again it depends on what you do with it. If you spend beyond your means it becomes a problem. Someone that would rather bet money on something than pay their bills has issues, but if you throw a dollar on the lottery ticket here and there, it's not a problem. I know a guy that lives with his fiance and he also has a house that he rents out. Well, he's losing that house because he takes the rent money and hits the casino with it thinking he'll win big and it will solve everything. It's too late now. What a waste.....fortunately for him, his fiance keeps him in line with their townhouse.
I don't want to go through the whole list, I just wanted to make the point that I am a Christian, I love God, I love life, and I still have lots of fun! Nothing could make me happier than knowing my place when I leave this world. Nothing else can compare.
The7thGuest: I will post on your other topic.

here is my reply to all that
oh and thanks for bringing all that up
because i think everyone should openly discuss these

-sex - the most screwd up people that i know are the ones most involved in this
-drugs- ok i lied about sex these are the most screwd up ones
-Asking difficult questions about the universe- since GOD created the universe there is bound to be things we dont understand

- Medicinal drugs or even general medical treatment - God does not want us to be ill and doctors are one way he heals us
-having money - God wants us to be rich so we can help others , but if we rely on riches and not God he will take them away
- not having money - sometimes God takes our riches to test our hearts - i sugest you read -Job-
- Masturbation - you arent hurting yourself or others and the bible doesnt prohibit it
- Questioning what you are told - God loves it when we question him because it gives him an opportunity to show us why
- Wearing nice clothes - a little too ambiguos
- Wearing too few clothes - for what reason are you wearing too few clothes? that is were the sin comes in
- Gambling - not a sin but can get you hurt or others hurt - falls into the catagory of stealing
- Borrowing/lending money - God says in the bible that we are alowed to borrow and lend money
- Being gay - now that is sick
- Thinking independently - thats not in itsself a sin
- Video games - depends on the content of the video game
- Violent movies/TV- depends on what type of violence
- Not taking care of yourself enough- as in sining would be not taking care of you self?
- Worrying too much about yourself - egocentricity as in you more important than God?
- Not ignoring scientific facts - do you know that these facts are facts?
- Being attractive to the opposite sex- if you are a stripper than thats a sin. but if you are attractive and not stripping or doing other things its not a sin

- Thinking about sinning - lusting for sin is a sin

I think you've totally missed my point here... I don't really care if you want to nitpick my examples.

What I'm getting at is why would God care about such stupid, petty things? Do you think God's happy with you being a homophobe, for example?

It just strikes me as a completely ridiculous idea that an all-powerful being actually gives a damn about what clothes you wear or what your sexual preferences are. Call me an evil sinner.

[Dredric1]

I think you've totally missed my point here... I don't really care if you want to nitpick my examples.

What I'm getting at is why would God care about such stupid, petty things? Do you think God's happy with you being a homophobe, for example?

It just strikes me as a completely ridiculous idea that an all-powerful being actually gives a damn about what clothes you wear or what your sexual preferences are. Call me an evil sinner.

well there is satans way and there
is GOD's way

go ahead and choose

if you stick will GOD the road may be painfull but it will end in life and
if you take satans way you will surely die

[Possumdude0]

I think you've totally missed my point here... I don't really care if you want to nitpick my examples.

What I'm getting at is why would God care about such stupid, petty things? Do you think God's happy with you being a homophobe, for example?

Sin is a turning away from God. That is it. The specific things you mentioned are sins because they make us less God-like. Remember, the ultimate goal of any Christian is to become like Christ. Sin is simply going the wrong way on that path. I really wish you wanted us to nitpick the your examples, though, because there are a few I'd like to discuss, because some of them are common misconceptions (like other people mentioned, alcohol is only sinful if done to excess).