Acidiferous wrote:LoneFury4590 wrote:http://www.islamreligion.com/category/39/(: might help xP
I have only read the first article, the one called, A System Planned in Its Every Detail.
The discription of the article is:
Crazy A.O. wrote:How complex systems prove the existence of God and refute the theory of Darwin.
A part in the middle is:
Crazy A.O. wrote:The point that deserves attention here is that evolution can by no means explain the system briefly summarized above.
Evolution maintains that today’s complex organisms have evolved from primitive cellular forms by the gradual accumulation of small structural changes. However, as stated clearly, the system in the stomach could in no way have been formed step by step. The absence of even one factor would bring about the death of the organism.
First of all, i think that a good step by step process would be, if the beings with bad development would die before they could breed. So only the genes or features of the ones "working" would be passed along and develop further.
How can our digestive system for example 'evolve'? As its said that without one part of the system the rest won't work. And evolution is an "improvement" or like you say "development" of an old design so as to make it better. So what is the old design of the digestive system? There isn't even proof of that existing.
Quote from:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10032/ (An article I highly recommend you read)
"According to the theory of evolution, every living species has sprung from a predecessor. A previously-existing species turned into ‘something else’ with time and all species have come into being in this way. According the theory, this transformation proceeds gradually over millions of years. If this was the case, then numerous intermediary species should have existed and lived within this long transformation period. For instance, some half-fish/half-reptiles should have lived in the past, which had acquired some reptilian traits in addition to the fish traits they already had. Or there should have existed some reptile-birds, which acquired some bird traits in addition to the reptilian traits they are believed to have had in the past, as “transitional forms.” If such animals had really existed, there should be millions and even billions of them in number and variety. More importantly, the remains of these strange creatures should be present in fossil records. The number of these transitional forms should have been even greater than the present animal species and their remains should be found all over the world. In The Origin of Species, Darwin explained:
“If my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking most closely all of the species of the same group together must assuredly have existed. Consequently evidence of their former existence could be found only amongst fossil remains.”
Even Darwin himself was aware of the absence of such transitional forms. It was his hope that they would be found in the future......"
Evolution is a "theory" which I find not strong enough to stand since there are no solid proofs to back it up. This theory by Charles Darwin asserts that all creatures evolved within a chain of coincidences and essentially mutated from one another. According to the fundamental assertion of this theory all living things go through minute and coincidental changes. If these coincidental changes help the creature then it gains advantage over the others, which in turn is carried onto following generations. Regarding the “coincidental changes”, Darwin could not provide a comprehensive definition to this concept due to the lack of genealogical knowledge in his time. But the future evolutionists who tried to put forth the concept of “mutation” on this subject. "Mutation is arbitrary disconnections, dislocation or shifts of genes in living things." The most important point is that there is not one single mutation in history that is shown to have improved the condition of the genetic information of a creature. Nearly all the known cases of mutations disable or harm these creatures and the rest are neutral in effect. Therefore, to think that a creature can improve through mutation is the same as shooting into a crowd of people hoping that the consequent injuries will result in healthier and improved individuals.
Cited:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/301/And the conclusion is:
Crazy A.O. wrote:The human body resembles a huge factory made up of many small machines that work together in perfect harmony. Just as all factories have a designer, an engineer and a planner, the human body has an “Exalted Creator.”
Jumping to conclusions?
So because it's complex, and this A.O. guy, who wrote this propaganda of stupidity. Dont understand how it works. It must be made by an Exalted Creator? The only thing this is proof of, is that this guy should try reading som other books too, and stop making stuff up.
I dont have anything against people who belive something else than me, but this is just plain odd.
Normaly i dont care mutch for the whole religion thing. I have known a few bright minds, both muslim and christian.
But i have never heard anyone saying stuff like this, and claming it is proof.
What he means by it being complex is that all the processes occurring would rely on each other and none can exist without the other. I'd also like to enlighten you to the second law of thermodynamics a.k.a law of entropy (if you haven't heard of it before) which is one of the basic laws of physics. It states that system when left on their own prefer states of lowest energy and
highest entropy. I've read many posts here and every one seemed to ignore this law. Some one spoke of trying out password combinations and finally getting the right password for a successful hack to an evolution. But here it is the guys trying out the password combinations and and it isn't like randomly taking place (the guy has a brain...). In evolution we are talking about atoms and molecules over which there is no control over coming together to for complex systems.
Quote from:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/3986/ (Another article which I would recommend)
"Evolutionary theory ignores this fundamental law of physics. The mechanism offered by evolution totally contradicts the second law. The theory of evolution says that disordered, dispersed, and lifeless atoms and molecules spontaneously came together over time, in a particular order, to form extremely complex molecules such as proteins, DNA, and RNA, whereupon millions of different living species with even more complex structures gradually emerged. According to the theory of evolution, this supposed process—which yields a more planned, more ordered, more complex and more organized structure at each stage—was formed all by itself under natural conditions. The law of entropy makes it clear that this so-called natural process utterly contradicts the laws of physics....The evolutionist author Roger Lewin expresses the thermodynamic impasse of evolution in an article in Science:
One problem biologists have faced is the apparent contradiction by evolution of the second law of thermodynamics. Systems should decay through time, giving less, not more, order.""
The link "http://www.islamreligion.com/category/39/" includes other topics relevant to the existence of God (like "the obvious existence of God", "Thermodynamics falsifies evolution", "the fossil record refutes evolution" etc.) so its not just the first topic that wanted to highlight. S
How can you even conclude that if evolution is wrong, a creator must be right?
Even if evolution is wrong, it does not in any way prove a creator.
Have you got any other theories? (:
And mind, I do not believe in God just because there are no other "theories" to believe in...
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