Conversation with Archaios about the Protest Warrior Incident, on July 6, 2008 on the irc.hackthissite.org channel on IRC.
<archaios> recon: I dumped everything I had on him, because my actual IP was in the protestwarrior logs.
<recon> archaios: why must you speak in such disdain of the person who gave you the ability to be 'special' here?
<archaios> Jeremy would have let me take the fall.
<archaios> that's why, recon.
<recon> I understand your situation
<recon> In regards to you clicking a seemingly innocuous link
<morklitu> jeremy was a douche really
<morklitu> didnt he hit pirate daves gf in the mouth with a coke can
<nessuno> i read that report
<archaios> recon: actually I'm just bored, I really don't give a shit what people think of me, but I do expect at least some respect for the ideals I upheld
<recon> I guess that's moot
<recon> They would have anyway
<nessuno> archaios, found the exploit
<nessuno> on PW
<archaios> and the way I kept shit running
<nessuno> and shared it with them
<archaios> nessuno: correct
<archaios> I found the root exploit
<recon> I thought there was something about you clicking a link to a webshell
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<archaios> manually auditing code.
<archaios> there was.
<nessuno> http://chicago.indymedia.org/mod/commen ... /index.php
<archaios> recon: my IP was in the logs because of the link click
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<recon> archaios: ah, so I was right
<nessuno> read the anarchydb thing on Jeremy
<nessuno> or, what was it
<nessuno> theres a link somewhere
<archaios> but I aided and abetted the entire hack. Jeremy gave me some custom code and asked me to find flaws. I did,
<recon> I don't know what/where that is
<archaios> then he told me what it was for
<archaios> I never wanted to get involved
<recon> archaios: did you have to stand in court or anything?
<archaios> he made me an accessory
<nessuno> recon, he actually refused
<nessuno> to do that
<archaios> recon: I refused to testify
<archaios> I refused to produce a statement
<recon> I don't see why he would go to court if unnecessary, to be honest
<archaios> Jeremy was convicted, recon, because of one of his ex-girlfriends and his employer
<archaios> plus forensic data
<archaios> from his swap partition
<recon> I know of some girl narcing on him
<archaios> the logs didn't mean anything
<archaios> because there was no established chain of custody
<archaios> and I wouldn't testify
<archaios> anyway, the point was
<archaios> I was trapped and had no choice
<Karec> Very understandable
<recon> archaios: to be honest, I sympathize with you in that instance
<Karec> In all honesty, if he did get away with it from what i've heard other people speak of jeremy
<recon> Whoever sent you that link was bang out of order
<Karec> he might have upped the ante so to speak
<recon> And should have been the one shunnedLater on after skipping some irrelevant chatter by other users in the channel:
<Karec> archaios: one thing i've noticed about dredging up the HTS history and the protest warrior incident is shit loads of things about jeremy's supports and about jeremy but literally nothing about your standpoint period
<recon> It does to some people, namely Jeremt
<recon> nessuno: history defines the present, and therefore impacts upon the future
<recon> History isn't of complete insignificance
<Karec> Actually I take that back partially, there was some stuff in the critical security forums that some people said you were in a bad position most likely
<Karec> but none of them were absolutely sure
<morklitu> Karec: no one is around who really knows
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<morklitu> Karec: there's barely anyone around anymore whod actually like
<morklitu> met jeremy
<recon> morklitu: who would know?
<recon> And what else is there?
<archaios> Karec: I was in a terrible position
<morklitu> recon: i.e.; most of the people continually talking
<archaios> only my IP was in the logs
<morklitu> are people who weren't around for the incident
<archaios> I would have taken the fall for the lot
<recon> It seems like a fairly simple (but tough, for archaios) position
<recon> Is there really any more to the story than that?
<archaios> and I would be serving 10+ years
<archaios> not the 24 months he got.
<recon> archaios: ooh
<recon> Now that begs the question
<archaios> recon: 8,000 counts of CC fraud
<recon> Why did he get less than what you were looking to get?
<archaios> how do you think that looks in court?
<archaios> I stopped him from going that far
<recon> oh, I see
<recon> So if he continued
<recon> You'd have been royally owned
<Karec> He would have been pwned.
<recon> That adds another time constraint
<recon> Further justifies
<recon> I can't say I disdain you because of that instance
<archaios> a lot of people say a lot of bullshit about how I'm just a stupid narc, but I was left without any other options
<archaios> I would have died in prison
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