DaedalusInfinity wrote:*sigh*<br><br>For a philosophy forum, this topic is depressingly lacking in people actually well-read in philosophy.<br>First of all, part of the problem lies in what you (the person who posted the original message, whose name I have since forgotten) actually mean by your question.<br><br>But if I'm interpreting your question correctly, then you are asking about the existence of some sort of objective reality that exists and possesses some intrinsic truth value outside of subjective observation. In this case, all of the eminent philosophers since Descartes have pretty much agreed that it does not exist, or is not accessible. Also, you should read up on Kant, and Nietzsche's proclamation that god is dead.<br><br>As for the person who said math is true, there are several flaws in your argument. First of all, you're assuming that your own logical intuition is not wrong, which would be impossible to prove for you anyways. (Hence again, inaccessibility of verification, except through a very naive and flawed application of Occam's Razor.) Secondly, modern mathematics relies on ZFC, which Godel showed was impossible to prove consistent within itself. The standard axioms of historically 'orthodox' schools of mathematics have been bent or broken many times throughout history. Just look at non-Euclidean geometry or Russell's paradox.
TheMindRapist wrote:Who thinks there is such a thing as truth?
drgn_nut wrote:one important thing that i am surprised no one has brought up so far is the only true statement able to be made by any person: I exist! anything else ever said, done, demonstrated, etc. could actually be false due to some sort of a distortion in your brain that would cause you to see false as true and/or true as false. therefore, I exist is the only true statement anyone can ever make because no matter what manifestation you really are, whether that is human, squirrel, amoeba, or some other type of life unknown to man's limited knowledge, you were still able to conjure up that thought yourself, proving your existence. no one can prove that they exist to anyone else, but the statement is still true within your own mind. everything else could possibly be true, or it could possibly not.
passwrdyserv wrote:TheMindRapist wrote:Who thinks there is such a thing as truth?
Truth is a concept. Concepts were invented by the humankind,therefore the truth itself was invented by the humankind.
What the truth may represent to me,for you might be a lie.
You cannot demonstrate the existence of concepts(altho they are there),but you can prove that those concepts cannot exist without humankind.Jesus_of_Suburbia wrote:0<1
0<1 is a concept too. Math as a science started as a concept. Altho it makes sense for us that 0<1 what if you tell your kid that its the other way around.
Actually big bang theory showed in a way or another that 0= infinite. (the universe-infinite for us-was made out of nothing-thats the 0.)
This is the way i see it.
But truth exists because the society in which we are living,accept this concept and its description.
We couldve given another name to this concept too: we couldve said that it is called blahblahblha.
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