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Re: Biblical marriage shocking

Post by Sector on Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:24 pm
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sanddbox wrote:Mormons have multiple wives.


I think they stopped doing that when they underwent the transformation from Mormons to 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' - at that point they decided that black people could become members and that having multiple wives was probably not a good idea as it was illegal in the US. This is the upside of inventing a new set of books of the New Testament that contains the words 'Obey the law of the land', you can practise what you want and change it when everyone else decides they don't like it.

I think some offshoots of Mormonism still practise polygamy though.
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Re: Biblical marriage shocking

Post by mRmasteRful on Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:04 am
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Sector wrote:I think they stopped doing that when they underwent the transformation from Mormons to 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' - at that point they decided that black people could become members and that having multiple wives was probably not a good idea as it was illegal in the US


I never understand how people find it acceptable that religions can change their doctrine to match the times and still see it as divine. If the society>religion why not just eliminate the religion.
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Re: Biblical marriage shocking

Post by Sector on Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:25 am
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mRmasteRful wrote:If the society>religion why not just eliminate the religion.


I couldn't agree more. But then, it has always been the way of religious people to cherry-pick their doctrine of choice, overlooking everything despicable in order to be able to worship freely - So I think most are probably used to things changing based on the laws of society.

How they can still call what they practise 'The word of God' or any variation of such, is beyond my comprehension.
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Re: Biblical marriage shocking

Post by Calian on Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:32 pm
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Dredric1 wrote:
imcrafty wrote:Why does becoming a mormom excuse marriage?

im saying he could become a polygamist.(sight on the sarcasm there).

oh and the book and chapter Genesis 2:24 outlines it well but there are other verses.


You know your argument doesn't make much sense I think, since Genesis 2:24 says -

"Thats is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh"

If you read up above that scripture Gen2:23 it talks about the reasons why there one flesh, because a woman was created from man :

"This is at last bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh..."

It's a sybolic representation of the people coming together in marriage, sex is a just a consumation of the marriage.

A here is a little bit of reading for you, with plenty of scriptures..............

As to the wedding itself, the central and characteristic feature was the solemn bringing of the bride from her father’s home to her husband’s home on the date agreed upon, in which act the significance of marriage as representing admission of the bride into the family of her husband found expression. (Mt 1:24) This constituted the wedding in patriarchal days before the Law. It was altogether a civil affair. There was no religious ceremony or form, and no priest or clergyman officiated or validated the marriage. The bridegroom took the bride to his house or to the tent or house of his parents. The matter was publicly made known, acknowledged, and recorded, and the marriage was binding.—Ge 24:67.
However, as soon as marriage arrangements had been made and the parties were engaged, they were considered bound in marriage. (Bear in mind they'd not had sex yet!) Lot’s daughters were still in his house, under his jurisdiction, but the men engaged to them were termed Lot’s “sons-in-law who were to take his daughters.” (Ge 19:14) Although Samson never married a certain Philistine woman but was only engaged to her, she was spoken of as his wife. (Jg 14:10, 17, 20) The Law stated that if an engaged girl committed fornication, she and the guilty man were to be put to death. If she was violated against her will, the man was to be put to death. However, any case involving an unengaged girl was handled differently.—De 22:22-27.
Marriages were registered. Under the Law marriages, as well as births resulting from the union, were recorded in the official records of the community. For this reason we have an accurate genealogy of Jesus Christ.—Mt 1:1-16; Lu 3:23-38; compare Lu 2:1-5.

An then to top it off........

Proof of Virginity. After the supper the husband took his bride into the nuptial chamber. (Ps 19:5; Joe 2:16) On the wedding night a cloth or garment was used and then kept or given to the wife’s parents so that the marks of the blood of the girl’s virginity would constitute legal protection for her in the event she was later charged with lack of virginity or of having been a prostitute prior to her marriage. Otherwise, she could be stoned to death for having presented herself in marriage as a spotless virgin and for bringing great reproach on her father’s house. (De 22:13-21) This practice of keeping the cloth has continued among some peoples in the Middle East until recent times.

@Sector - Tbh your right, however there are people out there that read and do what the bible says, not what some guy in the vatican instructs, only way to know for sure is to read the bible and know whats being said yourself, after all thats what people did in bible times, just got to follow by example.

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Re: Biblical marriage shocking

Post by Sector on Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:04 am
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Calian wrote: ...there are people out there that read and do what the bible says, not what some guy in the vatican instructs, only way to know for sure is to read the bible and know whats being said yourself, after all thats what people did in bible times, just got to follow by example.


While I think I understand what you're saying here (something along the lines of "learn from the messages in the Bible and use them to enrich your life", which is perfectly admirable and something I have done myself), I have to disagree that there are people who follow the Bible in it's entirety.

My case for such a statement is this:

Those that only follow the good parts, overlooking everything that does not suit their warm and fuzzy Judeo-Christian view of life are the cherry-pickers that I referred to previously. Counter to this, there are those who follow the words of the Bible literally, taking Genesis to be a true explanation for the creation of Earth and it's inhabitants being one example. The latter of the two, in my experience, always tend to lean toward the more radical element of Christianity (Westboro Baptist Church springing immediately to mind), and are moreoften than not branded lunatics by the rest of society - surely this fact alone is testiment to the view that while the Bible does contain some lessons or advice that can help make you a better person, the vast majority of what's written in the scriptures is nothing more than hatemongering in the highest extreme.

Those that follow the Bible to the letter, in my experience, undo themselves by preaching hate when the very messages of Christ teach the opposite.
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Re: Biblical marriage shocking

Post by Calian on Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:00 am
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I have to agree to alot of that Sector, didnt mean to come across wrong or anything :).

It's the people that take things to the extreme that cause issues. People thing that alot of the stuff in the bible is "do or die" attitude, but everything Jesus taught about most almost all on priciple, he knew we were imperfect, he knew were going to get it wrong, thats where undeserved Kindness comes into effect. 1 Corinthians 9:22 says in basically to be all things to all people in principle, can't do that by being extreme :)

Extactly with what you said, Christs' teachings are about showing love + compassion to all. I think at the end of the day the personal reading of the Bible will have a different effect on everyone, as we see all around us today. I think that if you try to follow the principles in a Christ like manner, maybe if these extreme people asked themselves what would Jesus do, I doubt that alot of these extreme views would come about.
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Re: Biblical marriage shocking

Post by Sector on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:39 pm
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Calian wrote:.. didnt mean to come across wrong or anything.


Like I said, I understand what you're saying, and agree with a lot of it - so you're not coming across as wrong.

Further to what I was saying before, it is not only those who believe in a cosmic, jewish zombie that have views that lean towards the extreme - I know a lot of atheists (I am one myself) who think that religion should be, for lack of a better word, eliminated. This is no better than the Bible condemning non-believers to Hell, or the Qur'an saying that they should be beheaded.

But, religion does have some useful messages. As always, it's people that are the problem.
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Re: Biblical marriage shocking

Post by Calian on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:56 pm
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who think that religion should be, for lack of a better word, eliminated. This is no better than the Bible condemning non-believers to Hell, or the Qur'an saying that they should be beheaded.


Its interesting you say that, since in Revelation it says that the world powers of today, are going to turn on religion and get rid of it.

An there is no Hell, thats a false doctrine...hell doesn't exsist......or misinterpreted.......again like you said a people problem.
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Re: Biblical marriage shocking

Post by Dwere on Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:36 am
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Going to post here from an atheist-turned-Christian standpoint here.
I'm a member of the United Methodist Church (UMC).
I used to be completely anti-religion. Thought it was crap, and a total scam. Still do a lot of the time. But I have spiritual faith, and find that I am best suited to the UMC. The church believes that a man and woman should never have sexual relations until they are married, and of course believe that to be married you must be married by a pastor, etc. etc.

I however disagree. You could go out, sign 2 or 3 papers, and get them notarized and be "married." Which is often a preferrable choice it really has no affect on me one way or another, I don't care. To me being married, is not signing paper or saying vows in front a clergy member necessarily. It's being committed to your partner - man or woman - no matter what gender you are, what age you are, what race or ethnicity you are, or what religion you are. Marriage is simply commitment and love. In my eyes. In my heart. I feel that I am married to my girlfriend, because I am committed to her, to loving her, looking out for her well being, and being with her as partners, for the rest of my life I hope. We've never been involved in a religious ceremony for marriage, nor do we have papers signed. But I have committed myself to her, before God. She doesn't entirely agree with my view of marriage, and I will not be one to argue with her. I simply express my view, respect hers, and leave it at that.

I also believe that Sex, married, not married no matter your view, is something for an emotionally committed relationship. Although, you can be committed and exclusive to someone you've been seeing for 2 weeks just as easily as someone you've been seeing for 2 years. The difference being that in 2 years you grow to truly love that person, and it is not just romance and lust, and you experience true and total commitment to them. I'm fast-approaching the 2 year mark. I have yet to have sex with my girlfriend, and while I view us as married, I do not introduce her as my wife or anything, so as to not raise eyebrows, as well as not to spark a serious debate among ourselves in public.

Anyway I'm kind of off on multiple tangents. My points:
Sex: Emotionally exclusive relationship required. Not necessarily love, nor marriage.
Marriage: Emotionally exclusive long-term, commitment, love.

If that's confusing, I'm sorry. Not meant to offend anyone. I should have explained, that while I consider myself Christian, I am more spiritual/faithful than Christian or any one religion, and kind of follow my own spiritual beliefs. I'm not one to start some branch of religion though. Not my thing.
Hope this was interesting.
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Dwere wrote:I'm not one to start some branch of religion though. Not my thing.

Of course if you wanted to, you could call it the Davidians!
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Re: Biblical marriage shocking

Post by Goatboy on Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:46 am
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Dwere wrote:I'm not one to start some branch of religion though. Not my thing.

Of course if you wanted to, you could call it the Davidians!

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