msbachman wrote:Seriously, I can't even believe there's much of a debate anymore about this stuff. It's settled. There's no God.
Hehe... its settled for you that there is no God, its settled for me that there is a God!
As I have explained elsewhere on the forums, I have gained a personal knowledge that there is a God. I cannot deny that. You may not accept it, but I know that it to be true.
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TravisAlan wrote:religious people will say, "I have wronged society/people/ect., but it was in the name of God and therefor just."
I don't know many religions that use that excuse to commit crime, but my church believe in completely obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. I would never shame my church by claiming such a thing.
TravisAlan wrote:Since these people are following the laws of this supreme being they are better people than there neighbors and it is now there duty to inform their neighbors of their flawed way of life until they accept this religion as their own. At this point the first person becomes a great man spreading his religion which makes him an enlightened teacher of god. And when religion teaches that some men are enlightened by bringing in prophets it is mere propaganda for the social inequality that marks our race. Instead of working together to solve our problems, each man is now in this race of morality in which the ultimate goal is you OWN immortality and favor with God. This brings non-religious men to commit crimes in order to bring themselves ahead of these religious men in the material world. If this was entirely avoided and everyone worked for equality while sacrificing their egos the world would be brought forth into an age of greatness. Unfortunately no one in a position of power will support this since their own power will become limited and they would actually have to return to a position level with the rest of the world.
Although religion sounds great in theory it is a vessel created by man which only serves to bloat our egos and create an unbalanced system of power. I have read Taoist, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish, and many other religious scripture yet none of it seems to really balance man or actually create morality. And Christianity really seems to be the most unbalanced religion I have read. In the three temptations Jesus resisted he spawned so much more human strife than was present previously in Judaism. He was presented with the opportunity to have bread, rule the world, and subdue man. In rejecting man he created a need in all of his followers to provide for man what He rejected. For deep inside man wanted him to rule them to make them submissive and to feed them with earthly bread so that they may be comfortable with a clean conscious. I wish religions were real in order to satisfy these needs but they are not or else they would provide.
People eventually become content with their inequalities because they believe that they stem from their morality and that they will be rewarded by whoever is heading said religion. Eventually their becomes less less of these religious men and then there becomes more and more people who realize just how unjust life has become. Unfortunately a revolution for these people will never be realized for the greater part of men either sit in power or are finding some other way to relieve this pain so that they may live a few more years in silent agony.
In my church we believe God is no respecter of persons. He loves us all equally (no 'favor with God') and teaches us to follow after his example.
Are you saying that Christ should have succumbed to the temptation and become imperfect?! I am personally grateful he resisted temptation and provided a means for us to repent. How did Christ refusing corruption cause his followers to corrupt men? I have only seen good come of what Christ did.
Even if religion was false, it helps people to better themselves. It brings a lot of peace and order to the world that would otherwise be chaos, wars, etc.