Defience wrote:Correct that those things are in the bible, I guess I should not have posted so quickly and should have phrased that differently. I was referring to Christianity,not Judaism. You know after Christ came? While in the old testament it said those things, it is certainly not an accepted christian practice to kill gays or unmarried women that aren't virgins. In the old testament it isn't acceptable to eat pig or do anything on the Sabbath. Jesus said that those things were no longer significant in the same fashion, which is why Christians have no problem eating pork, bacon, ham, etc and typically worship on Sundays, not the Sabbath (Saturdays). Remember the biblical account of the adultress/prostitute that some men wanted to stone to death but Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Also, the old testament has the verse "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." but once again, Jesus taught tolerance by saying if someone strikes you on the cheek, turn the other cheek to them as well.
Goatboy wrote:Oh, because obviously the God of the Old Testament is a different God than the one in the New Testament.
Possumdude0 wrote:God is not different. The way we relate to Him has changed. The Old Covenant had very strict rules that we had to follow. Think of it as a probationary period. We had done a terrible thing by turning against God, by betraying Him after He had done all this work to make an entire planet just for us, and so we were put on a kind of probation where we had to follow these strict rules. But then Jesus came and established the New Covenant, ending our probationary period and making it incredibly easier to get back into a right relationship with God.
Remember, Jesus is God, they are the same being. He did not have to sacrifice Himself for our sins. He could have just kept the Old Covenant going forever. Given our ongoing transgressions during the Old Covenant period, it would be logical to assume that God would impose even stricter rules on us to bring us into line. Instead, He displayed how great His mercy is by making salvation the easiest thing to achieve. We don't have to live our lives by a strict code of rules that determines what we eat, when we work, and everything else the Jews had to follow, now we only have to ask and we shall receive that salvation.
So it isn't that the God of the Old Testament is a different God than the one in the New Testament. He is the same God, with the same attributes. It is only the way He deal with us that has changed.
Goatboy wrote:What I don't get is why God would have ordered all of those killings in the first place. The way I see it, one of two things happened:
-God really did order the killings of thousands of people, which would make Him somewhat malevolent (in my eyes)
-Whoever wrote those things in the Bible lied, which makes the Bible less credible
What is your opinion? I am really just trying to see where you are coming from, not just argue.
Goatboy wrote:Again, I am not trying to argue, just see where you are coming from.
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