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Re: Racist Website

Post by egwenejs on Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:57 pm
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I'm gonna take a different route here. I see computer hacking as using the rules that were predefined by the computer system to get the outcome that you want. The same tactics and ideas that you use to hack a computer system can be used to "hack" the legal system. All it takes is knowledge and persistence. If you want a racist website taken down, why not use legal resources to get taken down permanently? Hacking the site would just put temporary pressure on the site and if the webmaster or site host is worth their mettle then they will use the legal system to come after you. If something is worth doing, do it right.
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Re: Racist Website

Post by nosidius on Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:53 pm
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that might be true in some cases, but not always, and if it's outside the country.........
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Re: Racist Website

Post by DDM on Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:16 am
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I think that racist websites should be allowed to stay up, so long as they don't hurt anybody. The second they start hurting people, it is perfectly ethical to take them down. Illegal, but ethical.
All in my humble opinion, of course.

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Re: Racist Website

Post by sidebottom on Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:11 am
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If you want the right to say what you want you need to give others that same right even if you disagree with them.

Does anyone else find it IRONIC that HackThisSite.org was pretty much founded on stifling free speech? Not only do many of the missions and philosophies have to deal with shutting down opposing viewpoints, but the FOUNDER of HTS, Jeremy Hammond, was convicted of hacking the website of free speech advocates at protestwarrior.com because he didn't like what they were saying! How many of you newbies knew about that?

It's quite laughable, really.
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Re: Racist Website

Post by comperr on Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:54 pm
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Re: Racist Website

Post by blackwolf77 on Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:02 pm
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honestly i just choose to ignore the ignorant bastards but if you wanna get to it, ethically the only way to hack that kind of site would be to sink down to their level and that in and of itself makes you just as bad as them. If it really bothers u download fire bug and play with the words on the site cuz itll change back anyway...
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Re: Racist Website

Post by 255255255 on Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:06 pm
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I pose to you this question:

Is a group that ignores another race considered racist?

examples of such groups: Black Entertainment Television, GNAA, and others.
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Re: Racist Website

Post by The_Computer_Wizard on Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:35 pm
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its funny that i saw this, because just about 2 hours ago my room mate showed me a site that was REALLY bad
My first thought was "I need to bring this site down!"

but after thinking about it for a few minutes, i remembered thats against what i believe
now while i think that those people are mentally retarded they do have the right to post it

you might view it as not to be protected by freedom of speech but the thing is it is
The only thing not protected by freedom of speech is when your speech will cause harm to others (like the famous quote "dont shout fire in a crowded theater if there is none" the idea being that people could be hurt running out of the theater trying to get to safety)
Now while you may argue that these sites do cause harm they really dont
also if you try and argue that this should not be protected by the freedom of speech, but then where do you draw the line? do you not allow gay rights activists because they're against you're views? or do you not allow people against gay rights?
and again, while you might say there is a clear line, others would probably disagree with you on that line

so really, even though you may disagree with someone's views you have to admit they have the right to say them
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Re: Racist Website

Post by smalltowncynic on Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:19 am
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I read some of the posts in this thread, and I was wondering: Some say racist sites should be allowed, ok, no hard feelings but I was thinking what if you come across some child porn sites? Would it be ethical to take those down? For me, as a total n00b when it comes to hacking (I can't even complete the basic missions on HTS without help) if I had the skills I would actively search for child porn sites, just to deface them or even delete them. I would deface them into a "normal" site, and report them to the cops or whoever.

But now I'm wondering, what is the difference between those sites and racist sites? Is there a difference at all? If so, why are racist sites allowed according to you? And child porn isn't?

Of course, referring to the freedom of speech discussion in another thread, I think racism is not a way of expressing feelings. You give a reason for people to hate immigrants, black people, and other minorities. Therefore I think you should be allowed to deface and take down these sites.

**Note: this is only my "2 cents".

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Re: Racist Website

Post by sidebottom on Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:37 pm
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smalltowncynic wrote:But now I'm wondering, what is the difference between those sites and racist sites? Is there a difference at all? If so, why are racist sites allowed according to you? And child porn isn't?


The difference is pretty obvious. If a child porn site offers illegal pictures of children then it is illegal because it is PROOF that children were violated and a crime has been committed. If they talk about how much they like little boys or some crap like that, that is not illegal because ostensibly no little boys were actually hurt. It's the difference between fact and fiction.

smalltowncynic wrote:Of course, referring to the freedom of speech discussion in another thread, I think racism is not a way of expressing feelings. You give a reason for people to hate immigrants, black people, and other minorities. Therefore I think you should be allowed to deface and take down these sites.


You need to rethink things a bit, bud. Are you saying hate and racism are NOT feelings? First, hating certainly is not illegal nor should it be nor can it be (we'd all be in jail if it were). Next, what is the difference between "...[giving] a reason for people to hate immigrants..." and giving people a reason to hate the government or a sports team or the color red? If you want to go around and make books, websites, or pamphlets expressing how much you hate Mongolians and why you think they are bad shouldn't you be allowed? What if everything you say about Mongolians is true, yet VERY offensive and controversial? If some people stop you from saying that about Mongolians, then certainly they'll stop you from saying it about a government, person, or religion, right?

Things change from legal to illegal when a person or group promotes or encourages an illegal act or commits one themselves.

Therefore I think you should be allowed to deface and take down these sites.


Then what's to stop someone who disagrees with HTS from taking down it down?
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