i love these threads in forums, youll always find one this is my first post, and i am the mighty ><>FreakFish<><
its always good fun to have a debate with people about religeon... because they always come up with something new.
but since my last discussion like this on the internet i have done some debating with a religeous girl who sits next to me in quite a few lessons at school. as you may have guessed, i am not a believer.
i believe in science, all the way, right to the end of it where things just cant be explained yet. if it dosent make sense at first then it does eventually, and there is always a logical explaination for things. but here's my argument...
the girl in my school is a devout christian, a believer all the way. shes pretty sure that god exists, and im finding it very difficult to sway her form her belief. i ask her questions in english to answer, and the next day she will have an answer to it to try to shake it apart, but eventually her argument fails. it all goes back to the whole faith thing.
i asked her many things. i asked her why wouldent god just change our minds or reveal himself to us? she said because we have free will and he cant control that. but hold on a second, god is the ultimate power in the universe, and out of it for that matter. our good friend science has proved that the brain works with electrical impulses, similar to a computer. tiny little bursts of electricity running through your head, but we wont go into that electricity is electrons moving, which is physical. an actual physical movement of sub-atomic particles, or whatever electrons are classed as. in the bible, god has had physical effects on the world, like plumes of fire coming out of the sky and the seas moving to let the jews escape from the egyptians, or however that story went. the point is, god could change the way we think by moving the electrons in our branis and changing our thought pattens to ones where we believe in him, but he doesnt. when i suggested this to the girl in school she said that would be terrible, we would all be like robots then! but surely god and his infinate knowledge can handle a bit of brain surgery? somehow i think if he can create a universe from nothing he can create a universe from quite literally nothing out of nowhere he can change the mechanics of something that he created. but then of course there is the next argument which the girl didnt present, why would he want to? i can see that being used in the argument, --- as a side note, before you try and dismiss electrons and atoms, they may be theories but they are theories that make machines work, like the computer screen you are looking at right now. thats evidence, or at least better than wild speculation. --- but i have quite a good argument prepared against that aswell.
god loves us all dearly doesnt he? i mean, hes meant to be the perfect, ultimate being, creator of everything. so why would he allow us to suffer? or to condemn ourselves to hell mainly? he wouldent. he would do something about it. you cant go back to the whole free will thing now, i disproved it. hell shouldent even exist, and the things that led to hell and satan shouldent exist. an angel became proud and fell from heaven, but why would got create pride if he didnt like it, and then why allow an angel, an apparantly good soul that got to heaven to feel it? and surely while in heaven you are incapable of doing anything bad? or dont they have a legal system up there?
esentially, god wouldent let these things happen, or even create them so they could happen. if anything that god created is not perfect, which it definately is not, then neither is he. saying that life an the universe is a game to entertain god maybe? no that dosent really work either, because a perfect being would be content with nothing, and if he is enjoying the world in the state that its in at the moment then he has some real sadistic pleasure issues. there is far too much suffering in this world for a being that can see everything to enjoy.
and there lies my argument. score one for science, or six.
if you have anything that you think can challenge this please post it and i'll see whats wrong with it.
regards, and love, from ><>FreakFish<><