Spam bots to deliver revolutionary messages.

[grenmajulord]

nah I still think regardless it would get annoying because more than one bot would deliver multiple messages and you would get an influx of the same message over and over again

[bearhunta]

It is my guess that the revolutionaries of today haven't caught up with the technology. I think in the near future that will change.

[godofcereal]

It is my guess that the revolutionaries of today haven't caught up with the technology. I think in the near future that will change.

I really doubt that. Imagine on one thread this happened, two posts, one for a hybrid car and the other being porn.
In all honesty, which would you click.

[Heath Winchester]

For me it'd be neither because I just don't care. If I wanted porn I could google it. I don't need ad advertisements selling it to me; nor do I need an advertisement telling me what to do believe in or what to do. Advertising in my opinion has contributed to most of the stupidity you find in our culture. It's mostly done by greedy business men who honestly just don't give a shit about you. So they pump you full of bullshit commercials and propaganda so you can go out and buy some useless product. And the sad thing is that people actually fall for it. It's the exact same thing on both the internet and TV. I have never once done anything because a commercials or advertisement told me to do so. I don't pay any attention to them. What's the point? Businesses aren't out to give you a good deal they're out to make money so in the end it can do nothing but hurt you.

[radicool_systemite]

I typed out a post yesterday but had trouble posting it as I got some kind of error message several times. Anyway, it's probably better that was as I had a bit to drink and was probably a bit too moody in my response. I'll see if I can tone things down a bit this time.

See we all would choose the porn. Its just the better option.

Two points here. You've not explained WHY it's the better option, AND you've made a decision for every human on the planet based solely on your own personal desires. Perhaps it was just a silly joke and you are waiting for someone to ask what you really think about the issues.

it would get pretty fucking annoying seeing a message over and over again saying things like recycle or be a hippie or other bullshit like that

I beg your pardon, but it appears you've just made a case for porn being acceptable while issues like recycling is just hippie bullshit. I generally don't take the word "bullshit" lightly as I feel it's one of the best words that can be used to describe genuine bullshit. Would it be possible to get some explanation as to why recycling is bullshit and porn is not?

(Anyone remember that scene from "an inconvenient truth" where Al goes to an economic convention and notices a huge banner with a picture of a set of scales with the world on one side and a stack of gold bars on the other? Thanks for illustrating the point, Grenmajulord!)

nah I still think regardless it would get annoying because more than one bot would deliver multiple messages and you would get an influx of the same message over and over again

HA! More gold bars. Just keep those gold bar spam bots going; we can't get enough of them. BUT please, keep all that sappy hippy shit about saving the planet out of my face!!! Perhaps humans really do deserve to destroy themselves. I don't really subscribe to such a philosophy, but this kind of reasoning helps me to better understand those who do.

I really doubt that. Imagine on one thread this happened, two posts, one for a hybrid car and the other being porn.
In all honesty, which would you click.

More Gold bars.

For me it'd be neither because I just don't care.

Hmm, someone letting the world know that he doesn't care; weeeeeeiiiiirrd!

nor do I need an advertisement telling me what to do believe in or what to do.

The issue of "need" is interesting. You didn't really need anyone to change your diapers; a bit of shit on your ass would not have killed you. You didn't really need to go to school; especially in the west where there are plenty of self help guides and books on just about any subject. (You can even get these materials for free while reclining in the comfort and luxury of a large chain book store). You don't need grocery stores to buy your food from; you can just grow your own. You don't need electricity; candles and lanterns can do just fine. You don't need eyeballs; there are plenty of examples of people who don't die without eye site.

Besides, the whole point of recycling and such related issues isn't about what YOU need because the world does not revolve around you. I know it's hard to believe, but there really is a bigger picture to all this hippie shit.

Advertising in my opinion has contributed to most of the stupidity you find in our culture.

You've made a leap in logic here. The topic was not about advertising; it was about WHAT is being advertised. Advertising in itself is not bad. Otherwise you'd need to concede that you are being a hypocrite for posting your OWN advertising about the evils of advertising. Everyone has an agenda of some kind, but that does not make agendas in general bad.

It's mostly done by greedy business men who honestly just don't give a shit about you.

Hopefully I'm not the only one who finds this comment ironic, coming from someone who began his case with the words "I just don't care".

So they pump you full of bullshit commercials and propaganda so you can go out and buy some useless product.

I've been riding you a bit hard about your "I don't care" comment but hopefully you will not take it personally. The point is that you DO care about something and just putting on that tough guy front won't fix the problem. What you've done in the above quote is good; you pointed out a genuine problem. Instead of trying to convince people that it's a lost cause, what you need to do is offer them some kind of BETTER alternative. Otherwise you just end up sounding like a malcontent; not happy in the system but unwilling to do anything about it.

I have never once done anything because a commercials or advertisement told me to do so.

My first instinct here is to call you a deluded bullshit artist in denial. However, I notice that you used the phrase "told me to do so". It may be that you've got an incomplete understanding of what advertising is really about and so you've got a more radical picture of yourself than what may really be the case.

Advertising is rarely about commanding the people to do something. For example, soap commercials don't give orders that people must by the soap or else! Adverts work on the basis of influence rather than commands; this often includes things like emotional blackmail, manipulating the social conscience, fears of this or that, vanity, pride, greed, etc...On the other hand, adverts in themselves are not evil. There is nothing wrong with letting people know that a particular medicine will help fix their problems. Sure, you and I know that the guys who make the medicine are advertising it just to make a sale but in the long run the medicine does serve a purpose other than making money for someone. It's just a shame people won't offer that help without demanding something in return.

So while it may be true that you've never obeyed an order (i.e. done what the commercial told you to do) I think if you are honest you will see it is impossible that you've never been influenced in some way by adverts which eventually led to you buying or using a product, whatever it may have been.

I don't pay any attention to them.

You just told us that it's all about money grubbing business guys who pump us full of bullshit and propaganda so we'll buy useless products. How do you know that if you don't pay attention to them? Can you see my point here? If you don't have something better to offer the people, you just end up sounding angry and confused. There is nothing wrong with being angry if you have a genuine cause, but it's the confusion part that will turn people off of your message.

[Baxx]

A spam bot that doesnt lead to porn? Never! Well the fact is what would you rather look at? A tree hugging hippy or porn?

porn enough said =D

[Heath Winchester]

For me it'd be neither because I just don't care.

Hmm, someone letting the world know that he doesn't care; weeeeeeiiiiirrd!

What exactly was your intention in that statement? I'm having trouble finding a point in what you just said. I was obviously trying to be a rebel with that comment and you ruined it! I wanted to show the world how rebellious I am by saying loudly and proudly "I don't care!" It was my intention to prove to everyone on here that I don't care, if you couldn't tell. I am now going to go yell "Fuck Society" very loudly in a public place to show my aberration towards everything in this world.

nor do I need an advertisement telling me what to do believe in or what to do.

The issue of "need" is interesting. You didn't really need anyone to change your diapers; a bit of shit on your ass would not have killed you. You didn't really need to go to school; especially in the west where there are plenty of self help guides and books on just about any subject. (You can even get these materials for free while reclining in the comfort and luxury of a large chain book store). You don't need grocery stores to buy your food from; you can just grow your own. You don't need electricity; candles and lanterns can do just fine. You don't need eyeballs; there are plenty of examples of people who don't die without eye site.

Besides, the whole point of recycling and such related issues isn't about what YOU need because the world does not revolve around you. I know it's hard to believe, but there really is a bigger picture to all this hippie shit.

What exactly are you getting at here my friend? Are you saying the world needs advertising in order to keep from being mindless drones? When I stated my opinion I simply said that the world would be better off without advertising. Why have it at all? Comparing it too necessities isn't being entirely true to the point.

Advertising in my opinion has contributed to most of the stupidity you find in our culture.

You've made a leap in logic here. The topic was not about advertising; it was about WHAT is being advertised. Advertising in itself is not bad. Otherwise you'd need to concede that you are being a hypocrite for posting your OWN advertising about the evils of advertising. Everyone has an agenda of some kind, but that does not make agendas in general bad.

You're right I did make a huge leap. The reason being because I don't care what's being advertised as much as I care about how bad advertising is in and of itself. I do think it is bad. I don't believe the stating of your opinions is a bad thing, but how many advertisements do you see where people are just merely stating their opinions? You basically compared say... a Ford commercial selling trucks to me stating what I think. I have no ulterior motive in posting my opinions here. What could I possibly gain? But in advertising there is never sincerity. There is always ulterior motives and subliminal messages. I came out clearly and basically said "Society is stupid." My motive being nothing because I don't expect you to care or agree. I'm just enjoying myself.

And on the piece about people's agenda's being bad. I personally think anybody who is willing to pay money to manipulate people into believing or doing something is bad no matter what good intentions they might have. That is because I believe people are bad at heart. The human race is not good. What it all comes down to it, people taking advantage of other people is bad. And by the by, I'm not saying I don't do this. I don't consider myself to be good in any aspect. My point was how much better it would be if people did not do this.

It's mostly done by greedy business men who honestly just don't give a shit about you.

Hopefully I'm not the only one who finds this comment ironic, coming from someone who began his case with the words "I just don't care".

You just missed the context on that one. I was stating "I don't care" about porn or products people want to sell me. I should have been more clear. I do however care about people in general and it would be ridiculous to not pay attention to how people think and function.

So they pump you full of bullshit commercials and propaganda so you can go out and buy some useless product.

I've been riding you a bit hard about your "I don't care" comment but hopefully you will not take it personally. The point is that you DO care about something and just putting on that tough guy front won't fix the problem. What you've done in the above quote is good; you pointed out a genuine problem. Instead of trying to convince people that it's a lost cause, what you need to do is offer them some kind of BETTER alternative. Otherwise you just end up sounding like a malcontent; not happy in the system but unwilling to do anything about it.

A better alternative would be not buying the products. Of course, I guess I could say "Go out and rebel!" "Start a petition that'll end advertising." Oh wait I forgot, that makes people money. Why would they end it? I would love to see a better alternative. But what am I going to do? I talk about these things to other intellectuals because it's a way to vent. Hell, I know I wish I had the answer to the world's problems but all I can do is theorize and pontificate. What do you do? Can you honestly say you go out of your way to try and find a better alternative for something like this?

I have never once done anything because a commercials or advertisement told me to do so.

My first instinct here is to call you a deluded bullshit artist in denial. However, I notice that you used the phrase "told me to do so". It may be that you've got an incomplete understanding of what advertising is really about and so you've got a more radical picture of yourself than what may really be the case.

Advertising is rarely about commanding the people to do something. For example, soap commercials don't give orders that people must by the soap or else! Adverts work on the basis of influence rather than commands; this often includes things like emotional blackmail, manipulating the social conscience, fears of this or that, vanity, pride, greed, etc...On the other hand, adverts in themselves are not evil. There is nothing wrong with letting people know that a particular medicine will help fix their problems. Sure, you and I know that the guys who make the medicine are advertising it just to make a sale but in the long run the medicine does serve a purpose other than making money for someone. It's just a shame people won't offer that help without demanding something in return.

So while it may be true that you've never obeyed an order (i.e. done what the commercial told you to do) I think if you are honest you will see it is impossible that you've never been influenced in some way by adverts which eventually led to you buying or using a product, whatever it may have been.

On this you are probably right I admit. I have never consciously gone out and bought anything because of an advertisements but I'm sure I have been unknowingly influenced before. So you got me there.

I don't pay any attention to them.

You just told us that it's all about money grubbing business guys who pump us full of bullshit and propaganda so we'll buy useless products. How do you know that if you don't pay attention to them? Can you see my point here? If you don't have something better to offer the people, you just end up sounding angry and confused. There is nothing wrong with being angry if you have a genuine cause, but it's the confusion part that will turn people off of your message.

Again, I don't pay attention to commercials. But commercials do not dictate human instinct and thought processes. One can simply make the assertion that people do this for money as the world is run by money. You don't need commercials to do this so I fail to see your point. I pay a great deal of attention to human beings and one can not honestly say that they would have to watch a commercial to know that they're there for the sole purpose of attaining money.

I can't think of any commercial that isn't pushing an agenda or trying to manipulate people. Even anti Marijuana commercials have an agenda. Who do you think pays for those? The people that pay for those are the ones that want to keep Hemp illegal because they would lose money otherwise. I doubt they're doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

Basically, you're an optimist talking with a pessimist. I have no hope for the world haha. So that is where all my opinions and beliefs derive from.

[radicool_systemite]

I would love to see a better alternative. But what am I going to do?

Ha, I hope you can hang...

"me" The issue of "need" is interesting. You didn't really need anyone to change your diapers; a bit of shit on your ass would not have killed you. You didn't really need to go to school; especially in the west where there are plenty of self help guides and books on just about any subject. (You can even get these materials for free while reclining in the comfort and luxury of a large chain book store). You don't need grocery stores to buy your food from; you can just grow your own. You don't need electricity; candles and lanterns can do just fine. You don't need eyeballs; there are plenty of examples of people who don't die without eye site.

Besides, the whole point of recycling and such related issues isn't about what YOU need because the world does not revolve around you. I know it's hard to believe, but there really is a bigger picture to all this hippie shit.



"you" What exactly are you getting at here my friend? Are you saying the world needs advertising in order to keep from being mindless drones? When I stated my opinion I simply said that the world would be better off without advertising. Why have it at all? Comparing it too necessities isn't being entirely true to the point.

You are making more leaps in logic. Remember that the context of this advertisement is about radical advertising in the form of spam bots and such things promoting radical messages, in much the same way porn is promoted.

You then said that you don't need anyone telling you what to do or believe. This comment was in the context I stated above. In other words, you don't need people spamming you with messages about recycling, global warming, freeganism, bio diversity, ecology, anti-greed, revolution, etc...

I feel my comments on the issue were quite clear. True you don't "NEED" those things, but then again that's like saying you don't need shoes to get around. I don't know if you did it on purpose or not, but you've used the word in a way that sabotages any meaning in what you might be trying to say. It's like saying you don't need clothing or that you don't need fingers. All those statements are technically true and at some point it really does become rather pointless to talk about all the millions of things we don't need. You don't need all those things, but they sure do come in handy, don't they? Some of them even serve a very useful purpose, though you don't need them. Do you get it now?

I think if you look at my words again you'll see that I've not said anything about the world needing advertising to become mindless drones.

When I stated my opinion I simply said that the world would be better off without advertising. Why have it at all?

Advertising is the sharing of information. Even this site Advertises it's "product". It just so happens that this site does it for free whereas most other advertising does not. Are you suggesting that people who respond to "hackthissite's" advertising of it's services are mindless drones for doing so?

Why have it at all? Did you know that "word of mouth" is also advertising? If I've got a boil on my arm I sure would appreciate someone telling me about a particular kind of medicine that can help with it. I don't really care that my friend has just advertised this medicine to me; what I care about is that I know have information which can make my life easier. I find it difficult to reason with people who polarize about an issue to the point where they cannot see ANY good in something.

Comparing it too necessities isn't being entirely true to the point.

Perhaps you can elaborate on this as it's not clear to me that I DID compare advertising to necessities. I was the one saying that necessities are probably NOT the necessities that you were making them out to be.

but how many advertisements do you see where people are just merely stating their opinions?

"Omo soap gets the dirt out!" That is an opinion. After washing the clothing with Omo soap and examining the clothing for dirt, there will be some disagreement about whether or not the advertised statement was a fact. One person will casually glance at the shirt and think it looks clean, so he'll agree with the truth of the ad. However, another person will look a bit closer and notice that the soap did a great job of getting most of the dirt out, but that it falls just short of what the advertisement promised. A THIRD person will bring a microscope to examine the fibers of the clothing and see that there is still quite a bit of dirt left on the fibers and declare that the advertisement was down right misleading, as the soap did not "get the dirt out".

These kind of presumptive statements are made all the time. "...so come on down to Jack's steak house and leave feeling more satisfied than you've ever felt before". Are you seriously trying to tell us that you think this advertisement is stating a fact? "You won't find a better deal anywhere on the planet!!!" "The worlds best cup of coffee!". Seriously...

I have no ulterior motive in posting my opinions here.

Your making another leap. I didn't say anything about ulterior motives; I only talked about motives in general.

But in advertising there is never sincerity.

Including your own advertising? You see, whether you like it or not, or whatever you want to call it, you ARE advertising. You may try to pretend that it's not advertising because it's just you sharing your opinions, but even promoting your opinions is still advertising. Everyone is selling something; even people who give stuff away for free, like their opinions, still ask you to give them time to listen to those opinions. I think you are not being fair in your assessment.

I personally think anybody who is willing to pay money to manipulate people into believing or doing something is bad no matter what good intentions they might have.

You just described 6,783,426,912 people. However, I like where you are going with this. I think it would be a great idea if people just started working for each other out of love rather than demanding (or manipulating, as you put it) payment in return for their help. Are you sure you've got the guts to follow through on this kind of conviction?

I don't consider myself to be good in any aspect. My point was how much better it would be if people did not do this.

Like I said, it's easy to complain. You've got the right idea but with your current arguments you'll only end up alienating people. Either take the lead or shut up, because all this "I'm a bad person but people should stop being bad" kind of stuff is only going to frustrate those of us who are trying to get something going...

You just missed the context on that one. I was stating "I don't care" about porn or products people want to sell me

No, you missed the context. You jumped in on a discussion that was about the difference of interest between porn spam and meaningful message spam. You are the one who turned it into an issue about porn verses products for sale.

I do however care about people in general and it would be ridiculous to not pay attention to how people think and function.

Like I said, do you have the guts to back up that conviction?

A better alternative would be not buying the products. Of course, I guess I could say "Go out and rebel!" "Start a petition that'll end advertising."

Yes, you should be encouraging people to rebel, but first you need to be a rebel. I think your feelings towards the negatives of advertising are well intentioned, but I also think you're anger is misplaced. Advertisement is not really the problem, so much as it is the greed behind so much of the advertising people are being bombarded with these days. I think it would help to care for people in a better way if you were to sharpen the focus of your anger towards greed in general. In other words, don't waste your time fighting the symptoms; go straight to the source of the sickness.

What do you do? Can you honestly say you go out of your way to try and find a better alternative for something like this?

Yes, I can honestly say that I go out of my way for such things. In fact, if you are up to a bit of traveling you can come visit me here in Kenya and I'll give you a crash course! BTW, I'm actually totally serious about that.

There is so much in the world that can be done; but there aren't enough leaders to MAKE it happen. When I mention leaders, I'm not talking about politicians; I'm talking about people who say stuff like "I do however care about people in general". If you are able to say that much, then it's already too late to say that you don't want the responsibility.

Again, I don't pay attention to commercials. But commercials do not dictate human instinct and thought processes.

I find this comment strange, as I was the one saying that commercials don't boss people around. I don't understand why you are now repeating my point back to me as though it was your own. Anyway, maybe I'm getting a bit too worked up!

I pay a great deal of attention to human beings and one can not honestly say that they would have to watch a commercial to know that they're there for the sole purpose of attaining money.

Like I said, you know how to point out a problem, but do you have a solution? Personally, I think you should start teaching people to work for love rather than for money and the things money can buy as a solution. It's just radical enough to work...

I can't think of any commercial that isn't pushing an agenda or trying to manipulate people.

Once again, everyone has an agenda and everyone manipulates in some way. The point is, do you have a worthy agenda and are you manipulating people into being BETTER people? Everytime a teacher goes to class s/he manipulates children into learning. It seems you've gotten hung up on these buzz words and missed the real point of judging them on the merits of their individual contexts as opposed to declaring that all advertising, all agendas, and all manipulation is wrong.

I doubt they're doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

You make an excellent case for the need for leadership on these kind of issues. There are so few people out there talking about the evils of money vs goodness of the heart. I hope you are really sincere in what you are saying...

Basically, you're an optimist talking with a pessimist. I have no hope for the world haha. So that is where all my opinions and beliefs derive from.

I am not an optimist. I am a realist. I don't live in a fantasy world where good is something that the hopeless wish for but only ever end up complaing instead. I live in a world where people who claim to care about people MAKE that goodness happen; they force it into existence by out-manipulating those who oppose it. Don't you think it's time you got out of bed?

[Heath Winchester]

Ha! Ok, I lose. Seriously I don't feel like quoting any more of our comments. I've lost interest. I think you totally missed what I was saying. I only started to talk about this because it was enjoyable to me. But we've gone in a huge circle and nothing was said that's meaningful. I don't think you understood what I was saying and I certainly don't understand what you're saying. I originally came on this topic to state a quick opinion. Not to start a cause. You need to learn the difference between simply talking about something and getting into a huge argument about it all. Maybe the subjects more personal to you that it is me and if you truly are doing something about it I say congratulations. My passions lie elsewhere. To talk about something I don't have to be ready to get off my ass and go start a rebellion. Can you honestly say that you talk about things only when you have the mind to go out and stop the injustice? If you do you're either on par with Martin Luther King Jr. (meaning you have Universal Ethics) or you're full of shit. Haha. You remind me of what I used to do when I was younger. Simply start an argument for the sake of starting one. Sorry, but I admit defeat.

By the way, I don't have the money to go to Kenya. I'm just a poor writer.

[radicool_systemite]

But we've gone in a huge circle and nothing was said that's meaningful.

Someone who doesn't care simply can't be trusted when saying something like this. Either you don't care, in which case you have no authority to say what is meaningful or not, or you do care. If you try to be both you just end up looking stupid. Maybe that's why you lost.

You need to learn the difference between simply talking about something and getting into a huge argument about it all.

Someone who doesn't care has nothing to teach me; been there done that.

My passions lie elsewhere.

Is that supposed to be some kind of pun?

To talk about something I don't have to be ready to get off my ass and go start a rebellion.

Sure no problem. I understand that people talk out of their asses all the time; nothing special about being a part of that club.

Can you honestly say that you talk about things only when you have the mind to go out and stop the injustice?

Can you honestly say that I don't?

By the way, I don't have the money to go to Kenya. I'm just a poor writer.

Well, which is it? Do you not care or do you not have the money? It seems like the only thing consistent in your arguments is a complaint of one kind or another.

-- Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:43 am --

I just logged on to find this private message from "heathwinchester". Heath says he didn't want to post this on the thread because he thought it would make him "perhaps even" lower than me. I think he didn't post it publicly because he knows it's shameful behavior.

I will hereby be ignoring you. The only way pseudo-intellectuals and instigators like yourself can be dealt with is by simply ignoring their attempts to prove beyond a doubt that they are the superior thinker in terms of contradiction. I think it more or less derives from a standard of low self-esteem or perhaps a misplaced sense of justice and duty. You sir are a ridiculous man who very well may be dedicated to such a silly thing as advertising enough to the point that your arguments get you nowhere and you're cause is thereby dissolved because you just end up looking like an idiot. I thought of posting this on the forum but I'd just be stooping to a very low level; perhaps even lower than yours. I also do not wish to continue the flame war which you spawned. You sir do nothing for your "cause" but give off the impression that you're a silly little kid with a stick who likes to contradict all the adults and thinks that they are somehow right in what they say. You also seem to have lost your temper which never bodes well for something you're defending. I've seen your other posts on the forum. All you do is point of fallacies and argue when somebody says anything. You prove that you're a hypocrite by saying I complain when you do nothing but complain about what people say. I suggest that this "cause" you have had better be fought by somebody who is more competent than a 12 year old. Your mind is nothing superior. Get over yourself and then you'l be doing the world a great favor instead of pretending you do.

Believe it or not, this message was entitled "Good Sir".

He starts off by saying that he's going to hereby ignore me, but then goes on to make a long list of complaints about me. Well, which is it. Is he going to ignore me or accuse me? He gives me special titles like "good" and "sir", but then accuses me of some fairly nasty things. Once again, which is it? Am I really a "good sir" or am I guilty of all those nasty accusations? Both of these points are consistent with what I've been saying about Heath's INconsistent points of view. Because he is double minded about whether or not he cares about people, or what it is he cares about (and whether or not he's actually going to do something about it), most of the stuff he talks about ends up sounding contradictory.

Since he is going to ignore me now, it becomes impossible to ask him to be accountable for the nasty things he's said. What a gutless sniper. People usually pull this kind of weak argument when they are challenged and can't come up with the goods to deal with that challenge. The lesson here is that Heath simply cannot be challenged on anything he says; it appears he is above that kind of thing.

I will make a comment about a particularly concerning accusation from Heath, which I feel supports this view (you know, like evidence for my claims)...

All you do is point of fallacies and argue when somebody says anything.

Aside from the obvious exaggeration of "all you do", it seems Heath has made a bit of a Freudian slip here. So what if I point out a fallacy in something he says? Would Heath rather people did NOT discuss fallacies in his arguments? It sure would make things much easier if he would just add a disclaimer at the top of his posts explaining that he does not allow discussion of fallacies in his arguments, and anyone who does dare to question his argument will hereby be ignored AND THEN ridiculed in private. At least people would be for warned not to waste their time on him.