United States Health Care Bill

[sanddbox]

dam sanddbox, you're grammar is so flawless in every single thread, that you have ever posted on this forum. Even when you're sitting down writing a program sometimes it can be a simple mistake, or subtle detail glanced over. You know what you do you look back, you fix it, then it works. I'm tired of you going in every thread that I post in and then you jump on my back about something, in this case a stupid grammar error. Talk about anal. On that note, I suggest that you give up on working on problems such as Health Care reforms and stalking every thread I post in, and get a life.

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[xfelix]

Tell you what sanddbox. You worry about grammar. I'll be working on RSA encryptions, GeekOS, and the grace cluster systems.

[insomaniacal]

Alright seriously guys, stop arguing over grammar and flaming each other. Neither adds anything relevant to the discussion, and that stuff belongs on the playground.

If you want to discuss whether or not Fox News is a waste of your sweet time, then please, by all means start a thread about it.

Thanks.

[neuromanta]

Tell you what sanddbox. You worry about grammar. I'll be working on RSA encryptions, GeekOS, and the grace cluster systems.

Get a Life, guys. Have a life without TV (I know it's hard to imagine a life without TV in the US...).

[xfelix]

Since I helped derail the thread, I will take liberties of putting it back on its tracks. The main reason I don't want this health care reform is because it will give the government more power. The more powerful the government gets, the more it yields dictatorship, fascism, and communism. The more power government has, the stronger the voices of the crazy whacked out people like Hitler and Stalin. Don't think it can't happen to America, especially since history typically repeats itself.

[insomaniacal]

Since I helped derail the thread, I will take liberties of putting it back on its tracks. The main reason I don't want this health care reform is because it will give the government more power. The more powerful the government gets, the more it yields dictatorship, fascism, and communism. The more power government has, the stronger the voices of the crazy whacked out people like Hitler and Stalin. Don't think it can't happen to America, especially since history typically repeats itself.

From an ideological and moral standpoint, this is exactly where I stand as well.

As I said previously in this thread, a society must reward hard work, punish laziness, and provide a safety net for those who contribute. The trick is balancing these three, and making sure it's difficult and preferably impossible to take advantage of the third.

I'm not saying our system is perfect the way it is. Not even close, but I don't think Nationalized health-care is the correct solution either.

[Pieprophet]

xfelix

The point I was trying to make is that, if you haven't read the bill, you don't know what it is going to do. I'm sorry, but that is how it is. And , although i do absolutely hate Glenn Beck ( I am sorry, but I have always found him to be a pro-fascist propaganda monger, and yes, I have watched his show, although in honestly, I've never seen a whole episode through, as i can't tolerate that much of him), I'm not just saying you can't trust him, or just Fox. I would say the same standard should be applied to, for example, Jon Stewart, who I absolutely love, and think is on the right rack at least 90 % of the time. You say you are worried about having to pay for lazy people's health care. I feel that, if you are taking someone else's word on a subject as big as this one, you are being lazy. America is a democracy, which means we have a responsibility to research the issues ourselves, rather than allowing ourselves to be led by others.

[sanddbox]

A more powerful government != dictatorship, fascism, or nazism. Saying it's going to cause a hitler regime is ignorant.

However, if a government has a lot of power and the population does not make sure they have the right people leading the nation, there's going to be trouble.

[neuromanta]

Since I helped derail the thread, I will take liberties of putting it back on its tracks. The main reason I don't want this health care reform is because it will give the government more power. The more powerful the government gets, the more it yields dictatorship, fascism, and communism. The more power government has, the stronger the voices of the crazy whacked out people like Hitler and Stalin. Don't think it can't happen to America, especially since history typically repeats itself.

Do you know what communism is? Then you know that the communism idea never realized, and that the US government is the farest from communism. In the US (and in all the other "democratic" nations), there is already dictatorship: the power is in the hands of a selected few, and people doesn't even realize, that they don't have a choice (they could have, but the governments make the people dumb (with the help of TV for example), and then easily manipulate them).

[UNL2009]

Guess we'll just have to wait and see who's right?

IMO I don't like rewarding lazy people by paying for their health care bills. Nor do I like seeing honest single parents working full-time jobs not being able to support their child(ren). This is why we have unemployment, Social Security, Medicare/aide. I realize that there are more people than there are jobs, and that some people need to be taxed more (wealthy...tax brackets, etc) in order for the Government to provide these services. So I don't see government-provided services all that bad or socialistic, but when it gets to the point where someone says that he is forcing people to go with 1 provider and they have no say in it... I don't like it.

So, I'm all for raising taxes during economically thriving times to pay off the debts to other countries, but I don't want the gov't to decide our lives for us.