Americans - who are you voting for?

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I'm not voting
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28%
Mccain
21
30%
Obama
29
42%
Clinton
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Total votes : 69

Re: Americans - who are you voting for?

Post by pudgylumpkins on Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:09 pm
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OneArrow wrote:
pudgylumpkins wrote:i'm too young to vote, but if i could i would vote, for mccain. Mainly because he's a veteran and has proven that he'll do anything for our country. I believe he would be a great leader.


To be frank, I just don't understand where people get off saying that being a veteran, or even being tortured, makes one a great candidate for the presidency.


i'm just saying hasn't he proven that he will stand by our country through thick and thin. besides he's not a pussy like obama
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Re: Americans - who are you voting for?

Post by Sonic7145 on Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:20 pm
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pudgylumpkins wrote:
OneArrow wrote:
pudgylumpkins wrote:i'm too young to vote, but if i could i would vote, for mccain. Mainly because he's a veteran and has proven that he'll do anything for our country. I believe he would be a great leader.


To be frank, I just don't understand where people get off saying that being a veteran, or even being tortured, makes one a great candidate for the presidency.


i'm just saying hasn't he proven that he will stand by our country through thick and thin. besides he's not a pussy like obama


1) Joining army/being POW = fit to be president?
2) Obama has proven he'd stand by our country
3) How is he a pussy?
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Re: Americans - who are you voting for?

Post by OneArrow on Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:49 pm
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pudgylumpkins wrote:i'm just saying hasn't he proven that he will stand by our country through thick and thin. besides he's not a pussy like obama


I know people who joined the military at the start of the Iraq war. And I can tell you for a fact that willingness to fight doesn't equate to patriotism or courage. For some, they don't know of any other way to get by. Some need the money and perks. Others are inspired by a romanticized vision of war, and provoked by a bigoted sense of self-righteousness.

Again, I don't see the correlation.
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Re: Americans - who are you voting for?

Post by pudgylumpkins on Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:04 pm
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i'm just saying hasn't he proven that he will stand by our country through thick and thin. besides he's not a pussy like obama


1) Joining army/being POW = fit to be president?
2) Obama has proven he'd stand by our country
3) How is he a pussy?


okay to be honest i don't know where i was going with the whole obama being a pussy thing. Only thing i really don't like about Obama is that he thinks there needs to be a timetable for when we get out of iraq. We cannot just set a date to leave, we should only leave when we for sure know that the country is stable.

Edit: Just fixed your quote tags.
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Re: Americans - who are you voting for?

Post by OneArrow on Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:38 pm
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pudgylumpkins wrote:okay to be honest i don't know where i was going with the whole obama being a pussy thing. Only thing i really don't like about Obama is that he thinks there needs to be a timetable for when we get out of iraq. We cannot just set a date to leave, we should only leave when we for sure know that the country is stable.


In this case, I believe the word "timetable" is double-speak for "I want to cater to those who disapprove of this conflict," not "I believe we need to set a schedule for withdrawal into stone without consideration for regional stability, troop safety, and the necessity to adapt to constantly-developing circumstances." The type of measure you describe would never pass, for the same reasons it has failed before.
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Re: Americans - who are you voting for?

Post by Campo on Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:20 am
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Since I'm joining the Marines in 3 weeks, I'm voting for McCain as he will keep me armed with the latest training and technology.
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Re: Americans - who are you voting for?

Post by Lord DarkMasterKyzer on Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:01 pm
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:56 AM

By: Ronald Kessler


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A close look at Barack Obama's career reveals it has been even more mediocre than generally recognized.

Before being elected to the Illinois state Senate, Obama worked as a community organizer and a lawyer in Chicago.

In his memoir, Obama says being a community organizer taught him how to motivate the powerless and work the government to help them. His chief example is an effort to remove asbestos from Altgeld Gardens, an all-black public housing project on Chicago’s South Side.

But those who were involved in the effort say Obama played a minor role in working the problem and never accomplished his goal. A pre-existing group at Altgeld Gardens and a local newspaper, the Chicago Reporter, were working on the problem before Obama came on the scene, yet Obama does not mention them in his book, “Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.”

“Just because someone writes it, doesn't make it true,” says Altgeld resident Hazel Johnson, who had been pushing for a cleanup of the cancer-producing substance years before Obama showed up.

Rep. Bobby L. Rush, D-Ill., says it was Johnson's work, along with asbestos testing by the Chicago Reporter, that got Chicago officials interested in the issue. Rush, who launched an inquiry into the situation when he was a member of the Chicago City Council, says he is “offended” that Obama did not mention Johnson in his account.

“Was [Obama] involved in stuff? Absolutely,” says Robert Ginsburg, an activist who worked with Johnson and Obama on the problem. “But there was stuff happening before him, and after him.”

After three years working as an organizer, Obama could say he helped obtain grants for a jobs program and got asbestos removed from some pipes in the project. But as the Los Angeles Times has noted, the “large-scale change that was needed at the 1,998-unit project was beyond his reach.” To this day, most of the asbestos remains in the apartments.

Fruitless though his efforts were, Obama devoted more than 100 pages to his experiences at Altgeld Gardens and surrounding areas. Michelle Obama has said his work as a community organizer helped him decide “how he would impact the world,” assisting people to improve their lives. Yet, in a revealing passage in his book, Obama wrote, “When classmates in college asked me just what it was that a community organizer did, I couldn’t answer them directly.”

Instead, he said, “I’d pronounce on the need for change. Change in the White House, where Reagan and his minions were carrying on their dirty deeds. Change in the congress, compliant and corrupt. Change in the mood of the country, manic and self-absorbed. Change won’t come from the top, I would say. Change will come from a mobilized grass roots.”

Thus, Obama admitted that he accomplished little but that he was able to cover that up with fancy talk about change.

After going to Harvard Law School, Obama returned to Chicago, where he briefly headed a voter registration drive and then became a lawyer. While Obama’s campaign has touted him as a civil rights lawyer, “Over the nine years that Obama’s law license was active in Illinois, he never handled a trial and mostly worked in teams of lawyers who drew up briefs and contracts in a variety of cases,” according to David Mendell’s “Obama: From Promise To Power.”

A review of the cases Obama worked on during his brief legal career “shows he played the strong, silent type in court, introducing himself and his client, then stepping aside to let other lawyers do the talking,” the Chicago Sun-Times has reported.

“A search of all the cases in Cook County Circuit Court in which Obama made an appearance since he graduated from Harvard in 1991 shows: zero,” the article said.

Instead, his practice was “confined mainly to federal court in Chicago, where he made formal appearances in only five district court cases and another five in cases before the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals — a total of 10 cases in his legal career,” the paper said.

If Obama had virtually no impact as either a community organizer or as a lawyer, he was even more invisible in the state Senate and later in the U.S. Senate.

In both bodies, Obama had a reputation for voting “present,” thus avoiding controversial decisions that could be used against him later. In the U.S. Senate, he has missed more than one in five votes.

Only one of the measures Obama has sponsored as a U.S. senator was enacted: a bill to “promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo.”

Contrary to Obama’s portrayal of himself as a unifier, on every bipartisan effort in the Senate to forge compromises on tough issues, Obama has been missing in action.

In sum, it would be difficult to imagine a more mediocre record. Most candidates for dog catcher have contributed more to society. Yet with the help of adoring reporters, Obama has managed to parlay extraordinary speaking and political skills into a presidential campaign built on sand.

The idea that America might entrust its security and future to someone who has never demonstrated an ability to get anything of significance done is scary.
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Re: Americans - who are you voting for?

Post by Sonic7145 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:19 pm
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Campo wrote:Since I'm joining the Marines in 3 weeks, I'm voting for McCain as he will keep me armed with the latest training and technology.

What makes you think Obama wouldn't? You know McCain voted against the GI Bill, correct? Obama voted FOR funding for our soldiers when they return.
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Re: Americans - who are you voting for?

Post by Lord DarkMasterKyzer on Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:10 pm
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Or so we are told....
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Re: Americans - who are you voting for?

Post by Sonic7145 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:18 pm
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Lord DarkMasterKyzer wrote:Or so we are told....

Look it up.
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