Why is Linux good for hacking?

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Re: Why is Linux good for hacking?

Post by Obi Don Juan on Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:53 pm
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However, the biggest point of failure is from the average systems administrator and this is the case with both OS's. Sure critical security patches may be available and ready to install but the simple fact of the matter is the average person (or even average sys admin at times) has the IQ of a small fish in terms of security conscious.


True enough Thetan, this is why most of them have their jobs just because they went to a community college to get their CompTIA+ and Linux+. That's the way it is around here, anyways. I'm not anyone to talk, mind you, but I know these credentials aren't necessarily going to get you a reliable sysadmin.

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Re: Why is Linux good for hacking?

Post by dark159123 on Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:04 pm
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linux isnt necessarily better for hacking but rather, it is better for the hacker. when you can see the source code of something it is much easier to find out exactly how what happens and why it doesnt. with windows on the other hand youll need to reverse engineer *what ever you're doing* to find out why/how/what.

so to answer in a single line: linux isn't better for hacking but for the hacker.
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Re: Why is Linux good for hacking?

Post by thetan on Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:17 pm
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Obi Don Juan wrote:True enough Thetan, this is why most of them have their jobs just because they went to a community college to get their CompTIA+ and Linux+. That's the way it is around here, anyways. I'm not anyone to talk, mind you, but I know these credentials aren't necessarily going to get you a reliable sysadmin.

A+ is for high school kids (srsly, it was an elective sophmore year) and pathetic.
Linux+ ...... wtf .... linux is not something you learn in a class and prove you know via a cert.
Network+ .... LOL, why the fuck are these fags still teaching kids about token ring!?!?!
Security+, .... dude, lol srsly, i guess you know it's bad when even industry laughs at this cert
^^ CompTIA sucks dick
-EOF-

cat > otherGayCerts
CCNA: Subnetting isn't hard, VLANs the rest you can learn in a handfull of google queries.
CISSP: LOL, i hate these fags, no further comment on this gay ass cert.
CEH: same as above, completely pathetic
<ctrl+d>

cat /etc/motd
Certs != skill
any fucktard that can regurgitate a textbook can get a cert.
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Re: Why is Linux good for hacking?

Post by tgoe on Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:34 pm
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thetan wrote:
Obi Don Juan wrote:True enough Thetan, this is why most of them have their jobs just because they went to a community college to get their CompTIA+ and Linux+. That's the way it is around here, anyways. I'm not anyone to talk, mind you, but I know these credentials aren't necessarily going to get you a reliable sysadmin.

A+ is for high school kids (srsly, it was an elective sophmore year) and pathetic.
Linux+ ...... wtf .... linux is not something you learn in a class and prove you know via a cert.
Network+ .... LOL, why the fuck are these fags still teaching kids about token ring!?!?!
Security+, .... dude, lol srsly, i guess you know it's bad when even industry laughs at this cert
^^ CompTIA sucks dick
-EOF-

cat > otherGayCerts
CCNA: Subnetting isn't hard, VLANs the rest you can learn in a handfull of google queries.
CISSP: LOL, i hate these fags, no further comment on this gay ass cert.
CEH: same as above, completely pathetic
<ctrl+d>

cat /etc/motd
Certs != skill
any fucktard that can regurgitate a textbook can get a cert.


lol professional certifications don't exist so that members of the same field can impress each other. They exist as a simple way to communicate to potential customers or employers that you just might know your shit. Do you take financial advice from a dude who says he is good with money or a Certified Public Accountant? Entrust the health-care of your kid to someone who is knowledgeable and has good intentions or to an actual Registered Nurse? Put yourself in the shoes of the average HR drone who knows dick about computers other than that "IE is how I open the internet" or an IT manager who was 1337 10 years ago. Who do you hire? The self proclaimed computer whiz or the CISSP? If you hire them both with all other things being equal who do you fire in the event of a downsize? Sure, fire the CISSP... and explain later to higher ups when stuff breaks (and it will... no matter who you fired) that the computer whiz is just as good or better than the guy who is actually certified to help run the show. Certs aren't useless.
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Re: Why is Linux good for hacking?

Post by sumusiko on Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:36 pm
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faazshift wrote:Among others...

-> Linux is built to be highly configurable
-> Linux is open-source, so you can take full advantage and even make it more powerful
-> Linux is built on the command-line, which is expediting, more powerful, and an all around better interface for the subject (as opposed to Windows being built primarily on a GUI)
-> Linux has much more capability.
-> Linux is much more secure and reliable
-> You can do practically anything you set your mind to, with the right skill.
-> Linux is more supportive
-> Linux updates/improves quicker
-> Linux is FREE

... just to name a few.


yes but these things a newbie hacker cant notice them since we cant do any of those because we new ... thats like talking chinese to me XD
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Re: Why is Linux good for hacking?

Post by orwell84 on Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:44 pm
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sumusiko wrote:yes but these things a newbie hacker cant notice them since we cant do any of those because we new ... thats like talking chinese to me XD

One of the first things that you will learn is that http://www.google.com is extremely useful for situations such as this.
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Re: Why is Linux good for hacking?

Post by Arameus on Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:24 am
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thetan wrote:
Obi Don Juan wrote:True enough Thetan, this is why most of them have their jobs just because they went to a community college to get their CompTIA+ and Linux+. That's the way it is around here, anyways. I'm not anyone to talk, mind you, but I know these credentials aren't necessarily going to get you a reliable sysadmin.

A+ is for high school kids (srsly, it was an elective sophmore year) and pathetic.
Linux+ ...... wtf .... linux is not something you learn in a class and prove you know via a cert.
Network+ .... LOL, why the fuck are these fags still teaching kids about token ring!?!?!
Security+, .... dude, lol srsly, i guess you know it's bad when even industry laughs at this cert
^^ CompTIA sucks dick
-EOF-

cat > otherGayCerts
CCNA: Subnetting isn't hard, VLANs the rest you can learn in a handfull of google queries.
CISSP: LOL, i hate these fags, no further comment on this gay ass cert.
CEH: same as above, completely pathetic
<ctrl+d>

cat /etc/motd
Certs != skill
any fucktard that can regurgitate a textbook can get a cert.


I mostly agree, however taking a class in something is not inherently ineffective. I took Linux Operating System 1 and 2, Linux shell scripting, and Linux Security, and I assure you they were all VERY informative and I learned a lot.

You are right in that having the certs isn't the best way to judge skill. I remember progressing through the Red Hat Certified Technician, Red Hat Certified Engineer, Red Hat Certified Security Specialist, Red Hat Certified Datacenter Specialist, and Red Hat Certified Architect certs and noticing how many people just memorized shit for the tests and then immediately forgot it. Although like I said, the classes themselves were fantastic.
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Re: Why is Linux good for hacking?

Post by Overlord5 on Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:36 pm
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Just incase you were looking for something with most of the stuff installed BT4 is fairly good (after you make a live copy that is). The drawback is that you won't know how to use just about any when you start out.
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Re: Why is Linux good for hacking?

Post by msbachman on Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:05 pm
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I was going to throw this out there because noone mentioned this before. If you were particularly attached to some OS but were determined to run another OS, you can always just get something like virtualbox on linux, and run windows within it.

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@thetan:

Certs are simply a way to demonstrate that you know a given body of knowledge. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm just curious, since you said you had two employees under you at your job: how do you ascertain what they know? Not certs? Fine. Surely you ask questions to determine their understanding on simple topics, correct? Well then, you're doing the exact same thing as any given cert. would.

The CompTIA certificates you bashed are introductory level certificates. They aren't being billed as anything but.

I don't know very much about the CCNA beyond that it's about Cisco devices. If it's anything like the classes, if you're willing to learn and put in some time you're likely to learn quite a good deal. Since the CCNA is beneath you maybe you could jump straight to the CCIE or whatever the fuck the next level is.

For the CISSP, it's not easy even for people who are experts in the subject matter. It's one of the most god awful experiences many will ever go through. The depth and breadth of knowledge you need is hard to acquire, and the questions are designed to determine whether you really have an understanding of the material or whether you're a good book learner. I imagine you could find plenty of CISSPs who took it easy after the test or whatever, but I still think it's a decent indicator of whether or not you're legit in infosec or an instance of dunning-kruger. Thumb your nose all you want at it.

You're quite right on a technical level that skill!== certs. However, it's also true that certs -> skill (if certs, then skill). If you hire someone with an A+, you can verify the course material and at least have a clue as to the proficiencies they claim on their resume.

Which reminds me of a funny story of an acquaintance of mine from school. He adopted a position, similar to yours, that certifications were worthless...the day after flunking an A+ certification. He was a cocky motherfucker, and I never much cared for him. He'd always brag about how much he knew about IT and shit, I thought for sure he'd pass. After all, he had SKILL...apparently though, not in the right areas.

Moreover he tried to cover up his failure with a series of lies to the professor, which made it all the more embarrassing for him in the end. And so another good thing about certs. is that it prevents complete frauds from making it in IT...there are plenty of those out there.

So what's your alternative? Should we ditch certs. altogether or modify them in some way? How about medical doctors? Do they need licensing or can we just question them to see if they have skill?
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Re: Why is Linux good for hacking?

Post by 5c71p10v37 on Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:55 pm
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OK IM GETTING MY 1ST OWN PERSONAL COMPUTER AN I WAS LOOKING ON GOOGLE TRYING TO FIND A COMPUTER THAT HAS LINUX CANT FIND IT :oops: do i just download it or what? im so tired of windows i want something new an i hear alot of ppl saying that linux is the for hacking so what do i do
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TO LEAVE
USA
N GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY
IN START A WAR
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