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Little groups... Again?
Published by: Finarfin Palantir, on 2008-04-08 14:51:20
I've been around for years, and maybe I'm still part of the older generation but in my experience hackers fall into many different categories... Trying to define them on a binary scale of 1 and 0 (or "A" and "B", "black hat" and "white hat" for that matter) just doesn't make sense, I've met a few and I've never met 10 hackers who has only 2 reasons for hacking among them. The truth is all hackers fall into the grey category, where nothing is certain and the only certainty is that nothing is certain. There is a right and there is a wrong, according to every single hacker I've met, but my right and your right won't be the same thing at all just like our wrongs won't be. That's exactly why it's all grey, there won't ever be a dividing line among hackers, a line seperating us into our own disputes, there won't be certain "groups" that hackers are classified in that is accurate, the same way the red, black, grey even the pink hat system failed. (Yes I did say it failed, because I've never felt I belong in any one of the groups, even though other people placed me in them. The same way I don't see being a man as being equivelant to having a penis) Groups of people either pull together or pull apart, there is no middle ground, hackers will always pull together, but for different reasons, reasons that cannot be categorized like food and furniture. They are people. All alike and all different. I've read so many articles about the "groups" and "categories" that hackers are placed in and I'm sick and tired of someone who knows how to use notepad trying to define me and what I do and place it within the constraints of a little box which tries to predict what I will and won't hack. Have you ever tried applying the same logic of "groups" or "types" like, black hat, white hat, etc. to why people vote/don't vote for government? I hate articles where people try to define things they don't understand. I've never tried to categorize hackers because to put it plainly, I've never even met 2 people who are the same, why would hackers be the same? We're not machines, we're not pieces of code that execute the exact same way everytime it's called. Stop trying to define what a hacker is, does it really matter? If only the people who try to come up with definitions of hackers went out and learned and experienced it themselves, maybe then they'd understand that being a hacker isn't equilevant to making a choice (or using notepad), it's a lot more than that. It's a lifestyle. A lifestyle with no boundaries and no constraints, a lifestyle where everything is in the grey area. A lifestyle of causing uncertainty and finding the answers to the uncertainty within yourself. A lifestyle, which cannot be defined. If you are really interested in knowing what kind of hacker someone else is, then go, learn, because you have no idea what a hacker is. If you really are a hacker, then go, learn, because you know what a hacker is and you don't need terms and words to explain it.
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Comments:
Published: 28 comments.

fluxcoder - 02:05 pm Tuesday April 08th, 2008

great 10/10
i think ur totally right ^_^

DarkyHacker - 03:37 pm Tuesday April 08th, 2008

I don't get what you mean by the lifestyle point. Other than that it's cool 9.5/10 (some point haven't been explained enough, or maybe it's just me..)

The_Dark_Avenger - 04:49 pm Tuesday April 08th, 2008

Yeah, I agree... I've seen a lot of people that are trying to become a hackers (now speaking of hackers as of computer experts), and that already are a hackers, who are able to write a code, find vulnerabilities in the code e.t.c.
But they all are different, and probably everybody has his own reason for doing that... It can't be classified just into whitehat and blackhat. Some hackers are doing it to get money, others - just because they find excitement in the Code... For others, it's the way they see things, their lifestyle...
For others, hacking is a way to find a different answers, the truth... realize that everything's possible, and any rule can be bypassed just like a computer program... for those people hacking is just a way to free their minds...

Karec - 11:11 pm Tuesday April 08th, 2008

I gave this a 9/10. This article does make a good point. Even though it seems easy at times to lump people under one title, group or phrase, the reasons and backgrounds they draw from are usually all completely different.

neco - 12:39 am Wednesday April 09th, 2008

i agree 100% great article.

Leafman - 12:40 pm Wednesday April 09th, 2008

Nice article, so true.
I never even heard of the red, black, grey or pink hat system lol.
If I ever earn the right to call myself a hacker I'd say I was grey lol

KSEboom - 03:54 pm Wednesday April 09th, 2008

I've never heard of Pink hats. Great article.
10/10

da_razr_b - 09:49 pm Wednesday April 09th, 2008

Booyah! 10/10

Legendof Destruction - 05:24 pm Thursday April 10th, 2008

Great article, nice well deserving for a 10. It was a great read and we explained;
cleared up a lot of things.

Finarfin Palantir - 01:45 am Tuesday April 15th, 2008

DarkyHacker, once you understand what it is to be a hacker, right down to the core of your existence, you'll understand what I mean.

suicidalcomfort - 10:23 am Thursday April 17th, 2008

Dude you own. I aree with you all the way. We our a society to ourselves misunderstood by the media and government

etest - 07:11 am Thursday April 24th, 2008

Well done.
(lol@pink hat)

Raptor_X - 01:41 pm Monday May 12th, 2008

10/10

At_lArge - 10:49 am Saturday May 24th, 2008

If pink hat means a sexy hacker then thats what I'd categorize myself into...
No, good article, there are no "categories" in which one can place us.

BloodyLake - 01:37 am Saturday June 07th, 2008

true, sorting out the hackers into groups is like trying to sort out all of Dr. Suess's creations; it's improbable & impossible. There are just so many different types and groups.

11/10

NiNjA_RiKiMaRu - 05:48 am Tuesday June 10th, 2008

The article was great, I personally agreed with it 100%.

10/10

sc4rzz - 12:37 pm Saturday June 14th, 2008

inspired. ö

11/10

sc4rzz - 12:42 pm Saturday June 14th, 2008

only... what the hell are pink and red hats? :o

jester24247 - 11:51 pm Sunday June 15th, 2008

anyone know how to hack myspace?

LORD-ICON - 05:48 pm Tuesday June 17th, 2008

your right!!
i always though of the different color hats were for the police so they can file use correctly

Shadowcinder - 04:55 am Monday June 23rd, 2008

Very nice :)

capi-chou - 09:23 pm Thursday June 26th, 2008

"Pink Hat" is probably a light version of Red Hat. ^^

southafrica1 - 11:31 am Friday July 04th, 2008

It just makes you want to go out and hack somthing. Very inspiring!

l8mer - 07:54 pm Tuesday July 22nd, 2008

ahhh.. i think i have heard about black hats.. i mean. what is black or white hat? is it some kind of expert level?

Psiber_Syn - 03:55 pm Wednesday July 23rd, 2008

its like the old cowboy movies the good guys wear white and bad hackers so to speak wear black give or take is the literal meaning

arash16 - 08:09 am Tuesday August 26th, 2008

great 10/10
to be a hacker doesnt mean to be someone else
you're the same guy with some skills which let you get more of whatever u want..

webspyder - 07:02 pm Tuesday September 02nd, 2008

Nice Article 10/10 You Explained that Perfect.I do it for the Knowledge.Because Knowledge is Power.And besides it's fun being able to do what most People can't do.Or won't do.People always fear way They don't Know.I'm not a Hacker.I just know what I can do with a Computer.And what I don't know about it I'm willing to Learn.Just because I can go to Wal-Mart and Steal something doesn't mean I will.
So yes Your right it's just a Lifestyle.

Slacking Around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVg4qxuY0Lk

wang2x_69 - 01:13 am Sunday October 05th, 2008

mhen..
i agree with you
i am new in this world!
to be honest to you all!
i am a seminarian...
and i put hacking next to philosophy!
where is the dignity nowadays!

love you all
you have all my prayers!

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